Charlie Kirk on Mary

[RileyG]

Mary's intercession so to speak was saying "Do whatever He tells you to do".

Correct. Mary always points to Jesus.

 

[RileyG]

Charlie Kirk's pastor spoke at the ceremony, he is the pastor of Godspeak Calvary Chapel which is an Evangelical church. However, he seemed to be leaning toward Catholic beliefs after studying the history of Christianity, realizing what was lost by not venerating Mary and showing great respect for Apostolic tradition.

I wonder if he would have converted?

 

[David Lamb]

John chapter 2

But as I wrote in Post 6: "That is not an intercession. She would have had to have said something like, "Please give them some wine," for it to have been an intercession."

 

[RileyG]

But as I wrote in Post 6: "That is not an intercession. She would have had to have said something like, "Please give them some wine," for it to have been an intercession."

She essentially did. And Jesus obeyed her. So, yes, it is intercession from the perspective of the ancient apostolic Churches

 

[David Lamb]

She essentially did. And Jesus obeyed her. So, yes, it is intercession from the perspective of the ancient apostolic Churches

His reply to her was:

“Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.”” (Joh 2:4 NKJV)

Hardly obeying her.

 

[RileyG]

His reply to her was:

“Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.”” (Joh 2:4 NKJV)

Hardly obeying her.

Keep reading. He literally obeyed her. And the term woman was a sign of respect.

 

[FenderTL5]

Keep reading. He literally obeyed her. And the term woman was a sign of respect.

Agree, mostly.
I don't know if "obey" is the correct word. Although, I'm not saying you are incorrect because there is the parent/child dynamic in play.
To intercede is "the action of intervening on behalf of another."
There's no doubt that Mary was intervening on behalf of those who were in need of more wine. That is intercession by definition.

There was a need, she knew the solution, and she took that need to the source of help on their behalf.
Again, I'm hesitant to say "obey" but there's no doubt that she influenced the subsequent action(s).
She then said, "Do what He says.." once again pointing to the source of help.
This is still the model for her intercession even today.

 

[Valletta]

Agree, mostly.
I don't know if "obey" is the correct word. Although, I'm not saying you are incorrect because there is the parent/child dynamic in play.
To intercede is "the action of intervening on behalf of another."
There's no doubt that Mary was intervening on behalf of those who were in need of more wine. That is intercession by definition.

There was a need, she knew the solution, and she took that need to the source of help on their behalf.
Again, I'm hesitant to say "obey" but there's no doubt that she influenced the subsequent action(s).
She then said, "Do what He says.." once again pointing to the source of help.
This is still the model for her intercession even today.

Mary makes requests of Our Lord, as did the other queen mothers in the Davidic kingdom starting with Solomon.

 

[RileyG]

Mary makes requests of Our Lord, as did the other queen mothers in the Davidic kingdom starting with Solomon.

Yup. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Davidic Kingdom, therefore Mary is Queen.

 

[David Lamb]

Keep reading. He literally obeyed her. And the term woman was a sign of respect.

But what order did Mary give Him that He obeyed? She just told Him what the situation was. She didn't say, "You perform a miracle and provide them with wine." I do agree that "woman" was a term of respect,