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How much of your income are you willing to have taken for taxpayer funded healthcare.
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It is getting harder and harder for the older members who are still serving to correctly remember what we encountered. Thankfully, the upper leadership reminds us what really happened.
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No kidding. Our corporate health insurance is slated to go up 12% next year. Per my CEO, the typical range this year is 10%-16%.
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I'm not entirely sure about that. Having more patients being treated for preventative care might cost more for primary care offices, but long term, the costs associated with ER visits and the long term effects of preventing chronic conditions would eventually more than make up for that, I have to say.
Better access to medical care, including preventative medicine options, would go a long way toward decreasing preventable conditions such as you describe. Would it eliminate them, completely? No. But it would help, certainly more than making health care more difficult to obtain, which seems to be the current model.
People are people, and they're gonna do what they're gonna do. Nothing can stop that. But...if we make health care a priority, and ensure that everyone has access to it as needed, instead of only if they can afford it, then better, more healthy lifestyle choices become more likely instead of less.
Guess it depends on what you value more: health care available for all who need it, or more money in the pockets of the shareholders of for-profit health insurance companies.
-- A2SG, decisions, decisions.....
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Everyone that I know who made it to 65 (and thus Medicare), has been, “Thank goodness for Medicare!” (OWTTE).
Medicare as it stands now is like the old carny-schtick where they promise for a dime, that you’ll see a “Man EatIng Chicken”, and each load of
The crowd is then mollified by bringing them in on the secret: friend asks “was it worth it?” and the newly minted accomplice sells the ruse to their friends, the carny makes another load of dimes and eventually “everybody knows” and the “act” is put away until the next town.
If Medicare is some sort of earned award for willingly participating in our economy for decades, why can’t we reward the future generations by assuming that they will willing do their part in the economy, so why make them “wait for it”?
Having a healthy population
Then who gets “healthcare”?
The people who are talking about Medbeds.
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You have generalized what I only claimed as particulars. If the preventative care required (for obesity, smoking, poor diet or drug abuse) is to change one's bad behaviors then there no reason for the collective to pay for a PCP to tell the patient to change behaviors.
Exactly what health care procedures do you claim as necessary to alter the unhealthy lifestyles under examination? Does science have a prescription "discipline" or "amp up will power" pill?
No. They can stop their unhealthy lifestyles all by themselves.
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If health care were to be provided to everyone through some sort of single payer plan, similar to any of those run by many other countries, all medical issues would be covered, including preventative care. Emphasizing that could easily lead to a decrease in other more expensive chronic conditions, making for a less expensive system overall.
Yes, I am generalizing, because I believe a complete overhaul of the entire health care system is necessary to help address the particular issues you cite.
I think an increased emphasis on health care being a necessity, rather than an expense that could overwhelm a family's finances, could lead to increased education gained through better and easier access to health care.
Certainly, it's an idea that has a better chance at helping with these issues than the current model, which hasn't.
Sure. But having easy access to health care would help them do that.
Putting up hurdles, such as the need to find a reliable way to afford health insurance, hasn't done that very well, has it?
-- A2SG, all for removing unnecessary hurdles....
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Let's not forget that preventative healthcare includes basic things like vaccination (the polio vaccine costs nothing compared to a lifetime of treating someone crippled by polio, for example), early screening for cancer, and other forms of basic screening programmes (many of them aligned with good antenatal care). As I understand it, Americans without health insurance (or adequate health insurance) might not have good access to any of those things.
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Um, okay, but I wasn't confused at all. I thought you brought up some valid points.
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I remember how former NYC Mayor Bloomberg was reviled for his attempts - no-smoking laws, bike lanes, soda size restrictions, etc. Michelle Obama's crusade against childhood obesity was also mocked.
Meanwhile, treatable conditions such as sleep apnea, lyme disease, etc. untreated can lead to disability.
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Sorry for the bad link.
Michelle Obama fights GOP attempts to weaken school nutrition rules - CBS News Michelle Obama fights GOP attempts to weaken school nutrition rules
The link about the GOP encouraging smoking in the Capitol is factual.
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People will need to stop eating so much fast food (which, today, is not the same fast food as 60 years ago) and start cooking at home more.
That's going to require a full overhaul even of family relationships. And the food supply.
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