Can we talk about ADHD... and such ?

Most of what doctors call mental illness are spiritual issues.
The more sin, and inolvement with the darkness the more 'spiritual issues/mental illnesses'.
What is appalling is not deliverance as 'archaic beliefs' but the appalling thing, is christians are letting the devil sneakely do harm and do nothing about it, having the weapons and means through God to do so.

Carl Emerson said:

this generation is subject to more stress than any other since WW2.

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"My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." (in 2 Corinthians 12:9)
"you will find rest for your souls" > in Matthew 11:29.
"Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth." (Colossians 3:2)
"Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." (in John 14:27)
"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

God is almighty; so His rest is almighty against any cruel feelings and emotions which would dominate us.

"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

From this, I see how God who is almighty easily puts away what is negative and cruel. And He changes us into family caring and sharing with Him and each other in His love. And He has us forgiving "even as" He has forgiven us.

So . . . you can see what part of the problem can be. Ones are not generously forgiving, "even as God" in us shares with us how He is and how He forgives. But ones are isolated with themselves so they can be easy targets.

But with God and as His family together with each other, we grow to be strong against any and all emotional trouble. But in our own self-help stuff, we can fail and suffer, being isolated with our problems and not with our Father in family caring and sharing.

Carl Emerson said:

"Confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that you may be healed" is rarely activated.

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Yeah . . . you already did say this, in so many words, didn't you?

Every thing God's word says to do is meant to be done with God >
our Heavenly Father is almighty to succeed in having us do . . . what
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means and He is able to do with us.

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

The problem there is a variety of spiritual issues, that not always is the person fault and not always is 'satanic', most people are victims.
And the stigma of having issues shouldn't exists, people are not more evil or inferior for having them.

Carl Emerson said:

What I do see is strong Christians being incapacitated by ADHD - what happened to getting the elders of the church to pray for healing ?

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Carl Emerson said:

What I do see is strong Christians being incapacitated by ADHD - what happened to getting the elders of the church to pray for healing ?

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Carl perhaps it is a mixture of both. But one thing is certain is that religion and government bureaucracy have become welcome bedfellows joined at the hip more and more. Meaning you need degrees or certificates for the power of the God to be accepted as legal status in todays world.

There are differences between people. Some of whom don't thrive in factory-style classrooms or cubicles. Considering how common these diagnoses are, it seems to me that the system is more broken than the individuals.

Are those diagnosed with ADHD,autism, and the like responsible for the ideological and moral failings of our society? No. They are not to blame. In part because they are disempowered. Rather, it is those who thrive within the broken system who tend to cause the greatest harm. The so-called "best and brightest" who rise to the top aren't necessarily the most intelligent or the most noble of character. Some are, but the system rewards things like cheating, bullying, lack of empathy for others, parroting back rather than thinking critically, etc. Those who notice this pattern, and realize they can't do much about it, may mentally disengage rather than give their best. If the purpose of education is to pass knowledge to the new generations and shape a better tomorrow, then we are doing it wrong.

I became aware of problem in the nineties. Everywhere you turned it was mentioned in parenting magazines and doctor’s offices. I’d liken it to the new buzzword. I skimmed the publications, shook my head and ignored them. I wasn’t the sort of parent who took everything doctors or teachers said at face value. And I doubted the validity of the problem.

Many of the children you met were on Ritalin or something similar. I had serious concerns about the long-term effects of the medicine. This was the period when I discovered the slow food movement and dove in. Natural remedies followed with an inevitable pivot towards seasonal eating and we’ve remained on that path.

Daycare isn’t the culprit and parents were using them in the seventies. After all, we’re the latchkey generation and we weren’t adulting, coloring, requiring safe spaces or related issues. Nor were we talking to therapists en masse. That was the last resort in a treatment plan. Not the first nor was medicine.

I think the culprit is largely biological and more likely the result of the body’s response to stimulants and parasites. We know the relationship between diet and environment and social factors. But you’ll have to dig into the data to find the correlation with DNA and look at the results across different groups.

There are positives and negatives you can pass to your children. That’s why it’s ideal to understand them beforehand. You can’t pray everything away. A history or pattern within others is likely to become yours as well. Some can be lessened through diet and lifestyle changes. But others require selective mating or intervention to prevent. We’re at the point where you can determine the probability of health, intelligence and other factors upfront.

As for the spiritual element, I don’t believe all maladies are the result of infirmities. There’s corroborating issues that can bring them about including your bloodline. Some may be healed through medical intervention, lifestyle changes or supernatural means. But the latter isn’t guaranteed. Healing is a grace the Lord bestows and the majority don’t receive it. And it’s not because they haven’t prayed or don’t believe as most suggest. It just didn’t happen.

~bella

Carl Emerson said:

Yes - is 'real' all right, and Psychiatrists can't identify a cause, they just try to treat the symptoms with med's.

Then again Psychiatrists are not allowed to deal with a spiritual cause, that is why I hear of Christians leaving the profession and becoming counsellors or clinical psychologists so they can deal with spiritual causes when and if they arise.

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I have found that it is difficult to find a good Christian psychiatrist, psychologist or counselor and as for medication it is a hit or miss as to whether it is going to work. I wish the Church would address this problem better. They could use a whole network of these professionals.

The Creator of the Universe, The Creator of all life... in perfect wisdom and perfect knowledge about everything for all time, in His Glorious Plan decided and continues to hide the truth from professionals (the educated ones);
there is little hope for anyone, perhaps more-so for them?

What hope then? People must become as little children as Jesus Says (or otherwise perhaps as prostitutes and thieves who will enter heaven before the professional religious leaders or lawyers; as Jesus Himself Says).

Carl Emerson said:

Is anyone else concerned about the rise of 'modern' conditions that grip lives and ensnare them in pharmaceutical dependence at great expense ?

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Did the Creator know before time existed that would happen ? Of course ! Did He make provisions for everyone who calls on Him ot be saved ? (healed). Of course!
but is healing permitted anywhere ? Not really. Not on forums, in churches, nor even, surprising, in hospitals !

In caves? yes. In forests ? yes. "Outside the camp" where we follow Jesus ? YES!

Carl Emerson said:

Is anyone else concerned about the rise of 'modern' conditions that grip lives and ensnare them in pharmaceutical dependence at great expense ?

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Yes

Carl Emerson said:

At the same time, believers have access to the redemption of the soul through the Cross, including healing and deliverance - but not many seem to access this because the modern theology has moved on from these 'archaic beliefs'.

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Yes, and while I do not believe that instant miraculous cures for everything would be the standard, nor should they necessarily be, but oh yes, if people understood that Jesus' loves us and awareness of that could solve so, so much. No pill can fix an error understanding the Lord, and most mental health help is not even trying to resolve matters of understanding Jesus, His love is not archaic, it is eternal.

Carl Emerson said:

"Confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that you may be healed" is rarely activated.

Am I the only one concerned about this ?

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No you are not. I am looking for people to share this stuff with face to face in real life. Please feel free to be praying for me.


Please note - to all who have mental health problems - do not suddenly stop taking your medication, if you wish to cease taking it, get proffessional help, I believe your suffering is real, and I do not mean that you just lack faith. Whatever you are living with or in, Jesus cares.

Carl Emerson said:

What I do see is strong Christians being incapacitated by ADHD - what happened to getting the elders of the church to pray for healing ?

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Why single out ADHD for this? What about heart failure? Liver disease? Diabetes? Are mental illnesses somehow less medical than physical diseases?

Carl Emerson said:

Any condition that stands in the way of walking in His purpose...

It is just that ADHD is endemic and almost considered normal in 'modern' minds.

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It's listed in the DSM-V, which by definition isn't normal. It's a disease, and medical intervention is perfectly appropriate in the same way that any other disease is appropriate to intervene medically when available. It's not an either prayer or medication, anymore than hypertension is a prayer or medication issue. If you're opposed to medicine in general, I suppose that's your business. But it's quite damaging to pretend that mental illness is somehow less physiological then more conventional "physical" maladies.