Trump Calls For Ilhan Omar’s Removal From Congress

rjs330 · Tuesday at 8:56 PM

JosephZ said:
Are you talking about this?

Ilhan Omar speech proved to be mistranslated but outrage continues spread

Republicans, rightwing figures and foreign politicians have seized upon the video despite proof the lawmaker was misquoted

According to the Minnesota Reformer, a Minnesota-based news outlet, which worked with two independent Somali translators, Omar said: “We are people who know that they are Somali and Muslim”, not that she was “Somalians first” as the video suggested.

Omar’s speech accurately translates to the following:

“As Somali people, we are people who love each other. We might have some disagreements, but when things get real, we are people who have each other’s backs. We are brothers and sisters, courageous people, and people who know they are Somalis and Muslims, and support each other and their brethren.

When we heard the other day that some Somali people—or who claim to be Somalis—signed an agreement with Ethiopia, many people called me and said to me, ‘Ilhan, you should talk to the U.S. government. What’s the U.S. government going to do about this?

My answer was that the U.S. government would do what we ask it to do. We should have this kind of confidence in ourselves as Somalis. We live in this country, we are taxpayers. This is the country where one of your own is sitting in Congress. As long as I am in Congress, no one can take Somalia’s sea, and the U.S. government won’t support others to rob us. Don’t stress over it, Minnesotans.”

Please note that the interpretation you posted has been debated. Some say rhe first translation is true and others say your posting is true. The fact is we as Americans don't know what to believe.

But lets take your translation as accurate.

Omar literally said "AS SOMALI PEOPLE we are people...

She literally sees herself as Somali and not American. I am an immigrant. I have never called myself a ... because I am an American. I may be from another country, but I am.not another countryman. She says she knows she's a Somalian and a Muslim. She disnt say she was an American.

She actively says she is working on behalf of Somalia and the the US governement should do what they (Somalians) ask them to do, once again noting she is a Somalian. She literally says she is one of "their own".

This clearly indicates where she stands. She is working FOR Somalia in rhe American government as a Somali. Its clear to see where her real.loyalties lie. With Somalia and Somalian Muslims.

If I said "as a Russian I am one of their own. We Russians are brothers and sisters and Orthodox Russians and support each other and our brothers.

And the government will do what we Russians ask them to do. We have confidence in ourselves as Russians and you have a Russian sitting in Congress and as long g as I am here I am goi g to work to make sure no one takes anything from Russia."

If I said that we'd have a lot of people on the left questioning my loyalty to the US and rightfully so. So pardon me if I dont trust her loyalty to America.

GoldenBoy89 · Tuesday at 8:59 PM

rjs330 said:
Please note that the interpretation you posted has been debated. Some say rhe first translation is true and others say your posting is true. The fact is we as Americans don't know what to believe.

But lets take your translation as accurate.

Omar literally said "AS SOMALI PEOPLE we are people...

She literally sees herself as Somali and not American. I am an immigrant. I have never called myself a ... because I am an American. I may be from another country, but I am.not another countryman. She says she knows she's a Somalian and a Muslim. She disnt say she was an American.

She actively says she is working on behalf of Somalia and the the US governement should do what they (Somalians) ask them to do, once again noting she is a Somalian. She literally says she is one of "their own".

This clearly indicates where she stands. She is working FOR Somalia in rhe American government as a Somali. Its clear to see where her real.loyalties lie. With Somalia and Somalian Muslims.

If I said "as a Russian I am one of their own. We Russians are brothers and sisters and Orthodox Russians and support each other and our brothers.

And the government will do what we Russians ask them to do. We have confidence in ourselves as Russians and you have a Russian sitting in Congress and as long g as I am here I am goi g to work to make sure no one takes anything from Russia."

How is this any different from the hundreds of elected officials in our government who proudly stand with Israel?

Do they also have dual or questionable loyalties?

rjs330 said:
If I said that we'd have a lot of people on the left questioning my loyalty to the US and rightfully so. So pardon me if I dont trust her loyalty to America.

Here’s the thing. Unless you live and vote in her district, that’s not up to you. Nobody in her district needs to even care who you do or don’t trust. I don’t trust MTG’s loyalty to the country but there’s nothing I can do about that over here in CA besides cry on the internet like you and the president are doing over Omar.

rjs330 · Tuesday at 8:59 PM

JosephZ said:
Lying, even to non-Muslims, is one of the greatest of sins according to the teachings Islam.

"Avoid falsehood, for falsehood leads to wickedness, and wickedness to Hell; and if a man continues to speak falsehood and makes falsehood his object, he will be recorded in God's presence as a great liar. And adhere to the truth, for truth leads to good deeds, and good deeds lead to Paradise. If a man continues to speak the truth and makes truth his object, he will be recorded in God's presence as eminently truthful." (Sunan Abu Dawood vol. 3, no. 4971)

"Beware I inform you regarding the greatest of the mortal sins: Associating anything with Allah, disobeying parents and lying!" (Wasaelush Shia)

Sorry but Islam does allow lying to infidels.

Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam

Are Muslims permitted to lie? What is taqiyya?

www.thereligionofpeace.com

rjs330 · Tuesday at 9:01 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
How is this any different from the hundreds of elected officials in our government who proudly stand with Israel?

Do they also have dual or questionable loyalties?

If you don't know the difference already, then I can't help you any further.

JosephZ · Tuesday at 9:06 PM

rjs330 said:
She literally sees herself as Somali and not American.

September 20, 2025: "I am proud to be born a Muslim. I am proud to be born in Somalia. I am proud to have become an American." - Ilhan Omar

April 11, 2019: "I am as American as everyone else is." - Ilhan Omar

April 3, 2020: "Our 'Americanness' isn’t a sign you flash or something that needs to be displayed for acceptance." - Ilhan Omar

February 2, 2023: "I am an American." - Ilhan Omar

August 31, 2023: "I remember how beautiful it was to get naturalized, it’s a feeling of belonging that stays with you. [...] Always and forever grateful to America for giving me and my family the ability to live in a country without limitations to achieve my dreams of happiness and success." - Ilhan Omar

July 4, 2025: "I am proud to be American." - Ilhan Omar

March 17, 2025: "30 years ago, my family arrived in the United States, a land of hope and opportunity. I'm fighting so everyone can have a real chance at the American dream." - Ilhan Omar

rjs330 said:
She says she knows she's a Somalian and a Muslim.

She is.

GoldenBoy89 · Tuesday at 9:06 PM

rjs330 said:
If you don't know the difference already, then I can't help you any further.

You’re avoiding the question because you know there is no difference. We have elected officials who proudly stand with Israel. We have an elected official who proudly stands with Somalia. Tell me the difference like I’m 5.

GoldenBoy89 · Tuesday at 9:08 PM

rjs330 said:
Sorry but Islam does allow lying to infidels.

Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam

Are Muslims permitted to lie? What is taqiyya?

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Again I have to ask… What are the consequences for Christians lying to nonbelievers?

JosephZ · Tuesday at 9:10 PM

rjs330 said:
Sorry but Islam does allow lying to infidels.

Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam

Are Muslims permitted to lie? What is taqiyya?

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Your source, Religionofpeace (dot) com, is an anti-Islamic propaganda website. It is not not a reliable source for information about the teachings of Islam. Many of the claims made on that site are nonsense. Taqiyya is simply an invention of anti-Islamic propagandist in an effort to discredit Muslims.

The word taqiyya isn't found anywhere in the Qur'an, but here is the definition:

Takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya); “The principle of dissimulation of one’s religious beliefs in order to avoid persecution or imminent harm, where no useful purpose would be served by publicly affirming them.”

Below is the ONLY verse found in the Qur'an that mentions lying as being acceptable.

"As for anyone who denies God after having once attained to faith - and this, to be sure, does not apply to one who does it under duress, the while his heart remains true to his faith, but only, to him who willingly opens up his heart to a denial of the truth upon all such falls God's condemnation, and tremendous suffering awaits them" (Qur'an 16:106)

The following hadiths make it clear that lying is forbidden in Islam:

Verily, truthfulness leads to righteousness and righteousness leads to Paradise. A man may speak the truth until he is recorded with Allah as truthful. Verily, lying leads to wickedness and wickedness leads to the Hellfire. A man may tell lies until he is recorded with Allah as a liar. (Sahih al-Bukhari 5743, Sahih Muslim 2607)

"Avoid falsehood, for falsehood leads to wickedness, and wickedness to Hell; and if a man continues to speak falsehood and makes falsehood his object, he will be recorded in God's presence as a great liar. And adhere to the truth, for truth leads to good deeds, and good deeds lead to Paradise. If a man continues to speak the truth and makes truth his object, he will be recorded in God's presence as eminently truthful." (Sunan Abu Dawood vol. 3, no. 4971)

Aisha reported: There was no behavior more hateful to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, than dishonesty. A man would tell a lie when speaking in the presence of the Prophet and he would not be satisfied until he knew that he had repented. (Sunan al-Tirmidhi¯)

The following hadith says it is one of the greatest of sins.

"Beware I inform you regarding the greatest of the mortal sins: Associating anything with Allah, disobeying parents and lying!" (Wasaelush Shia)

According to the teachings of Islam, a Muslim is only permitted to lie about one’s religious beliefs in order to avoid persecution, imminent harm or death. In all other cases lying is forbidden and will lead to Hell.

There are exceptions where a Muslim can tell a minor lie to keep peace and harmony among others, an example of this would be like if a wife asks her husband if a certain dress makes her look fat, and he answers "no" even when it's obvious that it does. Flat out lying and deceit is not acceptable though.

Bradskii · Tuesday at 11:26 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
That is not even the primary concern. The biggest being that she is a sitting member of congress and her primary loyalties are to Somalia.

I eagerly look forward to you quoting her saying that, or even implying that. Maybe a link to a video? Not, I shouldn't have to add, someone else saying it. And posting mistranslations of what she might have said will just confirm that you haven't checked your source.

Omar spoke about Horn of Africa port deal, not loyalty to Somalia over US | Fact check

Rep. Ilhan Omar gave a speech touching on a port deal that could destabilize the Horn of Africa. She did not pledge loyalty to Somalia over the U.S.

www.usatoday.com

'Omar’s speech did not contain a pledge to Somalia over the U.S., according to a translation of her remarks provided by her office as well as multiple published translations by independent parties.'

How easily you fall for the propaganda.

wing2000 · Wednesday at 6:49 AM

rjs330 said:
It appears the oath meant little to her because of her loyalties to Somalia. But thats okay because Muslims are allowed to lie to infidels.

2) She's from one "those countries"
3) She's a Muslim

....yes, show us your bias.

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 7:33 AM

rjs330 said:
Please note that the interpretation you posted has been debated. Some say rhe first translation is true and others say your posting is true. The fact is we as Americans don't know what to believe.

But lets take your translation as accurate.

Omar literally said "AS SOMALI PEOPLE we are people...

Of course, she was born in Somalia and now represents a Congressional district with a large Somali population. She was speaking to her constituents about their concerns over US policy towards Somalia.

rjs330 said:
She literally sees herself as Somali and not American. I am an immigrant. I have never called myself a ... because I am an American. I may be from another country, but I am.not another countryman. She says she knows she's a Somalian and a Muslim. She disnt say she was an American.

She actively says she is working on behalf of Somalia and the the US governement should do what they (Somalians) ask them to do, once again noting she is a Somalian. She literally says she is one of "their own".

This clearly indicates where she stands. She is working FOR Somalia in rhe American government as a Somali. Its clear to see where her real.loyalties lie. With Somalia and Somalian Muslims.

Of course she is loyal to the Somali people, I hope she always will be. But the accusation has been made that she is still loyal to the Somali government. Where is your evidence of that? At one point in her speech she even implies that she considers the Somaliland government to be illegitiment.

rjs330 said:
If I said "as a Russian I am one of their own. We Russians are brothers and sisters and Orthodox Russians and support each other and our brothers.

And the government will do what we Russians ask them to do. We have confidence in ourselves as Russians and you have a Russian sitting in Congress and as long g as I am here I am goi g to work to make sure no one takes anything from Russia."

If I said that we'd have a lot of people on the left questioning my loyalty to the US and rightfully so. So pardon me if I dont trust her loyalty to America.

Are you talking about the Russian government in your example or the Russian people?

Oompa Loompa · Wednesday at 7:41 AM

Bradskii said:
I eagerly look forward to you quoting her saying that, or even implying that. Maybe a link to a video? Not, I shouldn't have to add, someone else saying it. And posting mistranslations of what she might have said will just confirm that you haven't checked your source.

Omar spoke about Horn of Africa port deal, not loyalty to Somalia over US | Fact check

Rep. Ilhan Omar gave a speech touching on a port deal that could destabilize the Horn of Africa. She did not pledge loyalty to Somalia over the U.S.

www.usatoday.com

'Omar’s speech did not contain a pledge to Somalia over the U.S., according to a translation of her remarks provided by her office as well as multiple published translations by independent parties.'

How easily you fall for the propaganda.

Gee, I dont remember ever claiming that Omar pledged to Somalia over the US. But she did say that the Somalian president was her president and that she would protect the interests of Somalia from within congress.

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 7:53 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
Gee, I dont remember ever claiming that Omar pledged to Somalia over the US. But she did say that the Somalian president was her president and that she would protect the interests of Somalia from within congress.

Not in that speech. Do you have a quote from some other?

JosephZ · Wednesday at 7:54 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
But she did say that the Somalian president was her president

She didn't say that either.

Hazelelponi · Wednesday at 8:07 AM

wing2000 said:
IMO, it's the long list of grievances with any woman who stands up to Trump. If the woman happens to be from one of the "*** hole" countries, the grievance is greater.

Donald Trump doesn't care about race and has women working for him that are not of European descent and they actually love working for him.

Donald Trump is full of opinions about people he disagrees with or who disagree with him and he isn't shy about giving his opinion.

Welcome to equality, it's not like those 4 women don't dish out worse than they get.

You can't turn around and cry about. If they showed respect to others maybe they would get respect in return.

The most loyal Trump official is a black woman

Meet Lynne Patton.

www.motherjones.com

"The Most Loyal Trump Official Is Actually a Black Woman"

Oompa Loompa · Wednesday at 8:21 AM

BCP1928 said:
Not in that speech. Do you have a quote from some other?

"Sleep in comfort knowing I am here to protect the interest of Somalia from inside the U.S. system," and “While I am in Congress, no one will take Somalia’s sea. The United States will not back others to rob us. So, do not lose sleep over that, O Minnesotans. The lady you sent to Congress is on this, and she is as cognizant of this interest as you are.”

ICYMI: Emmer calls for ethics investigation into Ilhan Omar following her controversial 'Somalia first' declaration

www.majoritywhip.gov

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 8:27 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
"Sleep in comfort knowing I am here to protect the interest of Somalia from inside the U.S. system," and “While I am in Congress, no one will take Somalia’s sea. The United States will not back others to rob us. So, do not lose sleep over that, O Minnesotans. The lady you sent to Congress is on this, and she is as cognizant of this interest as you are.”

ICYMI: Emmer calls for ethics investigation into Ilhan Omar following her controversial 'Somalia first' declaration

www.majoritywhip.gov

Nothing there about loyalty to the Somali President or the Somali government. All I see is loyalty to her constituents who wish her to use her influence on US policy.

Oompa Loompa · Wednesday at 8:54 AM

BCP1928 said:
Nothing there about loyalty to the Somali President or the Somali government. All I see is loyalty to her constituents who wish her to use her influence on US policy.

She said, "I am here to protect the interests of Somalia from inside the U.S. system." What on earth do you think she meant by "Somalia?"

GoldenBoy89 · Wednesday at 9:01 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
She said, "I am here to protect the interests of Somalia from inside the U.S. system." What on earth do you think she meant by "Somalia?"

The same thing people mean when they say they stand with Israel or Ukraine.

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 9:10 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
She said, "I am here to protect the interests of Somalia from inside the U.S. system." What on earth do you think she meant by "Somalia?"

A clear reference to the people of Somalia who are the subject of her and her constituents' concerns. She wants to protect the interests of Somalia, not the Somali government--unless they are the same, of course. Why is that a problem for you? Members of Congress have often taken a position on foreign policy based on the ethnicity of their constituents. Is a Congressman who supports Israel because of his and/or his constituents' faith declaring his loyalty to the Israeli government?

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