Trump Calls For Ilhan Omar’s Removal From Congress

[wing2000]

Seems she’s assimilated just fine into our society.

For some, that is the problem.

1) She's an intelligent and articulate woman
2) She's from one "those countries"
3) She's a Muslim

......and she's had more death threats than probably any other member of Congress*. She's in a position to call out those pushing a narrative that political violence only comes from "the Left".

* Two men have been convicted

Prosecuted threats

• Patrick Carlineo Jr.: In 2019, a New York man, Patrick Carlineo Jr., pleaded guilty to threatening to assault and murder Omar because of her Muslim faith. He left a message with a staffer that included the statement, "I'll put a bullet in her skull". He was sentenced to one year in prison.
• David Hannon: In 2022, a Florida man, David Hannon, pleaded guilty to threatening a federal official. In 2019, he sent an email to Omar with the subject line "(You're) dead, you radical Muslim". He was sentenced to three years of probation and fined $7,000.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

More false accusations: [this claim was never substantiated]

"Wasn’t she the one that married her brother in order to gain citizenship??? What SCUM we have in our Country, telling us what to do, and how to do it. Thank you for your attention to this matter. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”

...but of course with Trump, he doesn't care. He got plenty of traction with people who believe the birther crap.

That is not even the primary concern. The biggest being that she is a sitting member of congress and her primary loyalties are to Somalia.

 

[wing2000]

That is not even the primary concern. The biggest being that she is a sitting member of congress and her primary loyalties are to Somalia.

Ref #2.

Naturalized Citizens take an oath:
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

 

[Desk trauma]

Hows the removal coming along? Any pending votes?

 

[BCP1928]

That is not even the primary concern. The biggest being that she is a sitting member of congress and her primary loyalties are to Somalia.

Do you have any specific examples of her disloyalty?

 

[BCP1928]

They all support parts of all of them

As is their right as American citizens.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Do you have any specific examples of her disloyalty?

Yes. They have already been shared on these forums on multiple occasions.

 

[wing2000]

Yes. They have already been shared on these forums on multiple occasions.

Then it should be no problem for you to "prove it" again.

 

[JosephZ]

Yes. They have already been shared on these forums on multiple occasions.

Are you talking about this?

Ilhan Omar speech proved to be mistranslated but outrage continues spread

Republicans, rightwing figures and foreign politicians have seized upon the video despite proof the lawmaker was misquoted

According to the Minnesota Reformer, a Minnesota-based news outlet, which worked with two independent Somali translators, Omar said: “We are people who know that they are Somali and Muslim”, not that she was “Somalians first” as the video suggested.



Omar’s speech accurately translates to the following:

“As Somali people, we are people who love each other. We might have some disagreements, but when things get real, we are people who have each other’s backs. We are brothers and sisters, courageous people, and people who know they are Somalis and Muslims, and support each other and their brethren.

When we heard the other day that some Somali people—or who claim to be Somalis—signed an agreement with Ethiopia, many people called me and said to me, ‘Ilhan, you should talk to the U.S. government. What’s the U.S. government going to do about this?

My answer was that the U.S. government would do what we ask it to do. We should have this kind of confidence in ourselves as Somalis. We live in this country, we are taxpayers. This is the country where one of your own is sitting in Congress. As long as I am in Congress, no one can take Somalia’s sea, and the U.S. government won’t support others to rob us. Don’t stress over it, Minnesotans.”

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Then it should be no problem for you to "prove it" again.

It wouldn't be a problem at all, other than the time I would be wasting.

 

[rjs330]

Ref #2.

Naturalized Citizens take an oath:
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

It appears the oath meant little to her because of her loyalties to Somalia. But thats okay because Muslims are allowed to lie to infidels.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

It appears the oath meant little to her because of her loyalties to Somalia. But thats okay because Muslims are allowed to lie to infidels.

What happens to Christians if they lie to infidels?

 

[JosephZ]

It appears the oath meant little to her because of her loyalties to Somalia. But thats okay because Muslims are allowed to lie to infidels.

Lying, even to non-Muslims, is one of the greatest of sins according to the teachings Islam.

"Avoid falsehood, for falsehood leads to wickedness, and wickedness to Hell; and if a man continues to speak falsehood and makes falsehood his object, he will be recorded in God's presence as a great liar. And adhere to the truth, for truth leads to good deeds, and good deeds lead to Paradise. If a man continues to speak the truth and makes truth his object, he will be recorded in God's presence as eminently truthful." (Sunan Abu Dawood vol. 3, no. 4971)

"Beware I inform you regarding the greatest of the mortal sins: Associating anything with Allah, disobeying parents and lying!" (Wasaelush Shia)

 

[rjs330]

Are you talking about this?

Ilhan Omar speech proved to be mistranslated but outrage continues spread

Republicans, rightwing figures and foreign politicians have seized upon the video despite proof the lawmaker was misquoted

According to the Minnesota Reformer, a Minnesota-based news outlet, which worked with two independent Somali translators, Omar said: “We are people who know that they are Somali and Muslim”, not that she was “Somalians first” as the video suggested.



Omar’s speech accurately translates to the following:

“As Somali people, we are people who love each other. We might have some disagreements, but when things get real, we are people who have each other’s backs. We are brothers and sisters, courageous people, and people who know they are Somalis and Muslims, and support each other and their brethren.

When we heard the other day that some Somali people—or who claim to be Somalis—signed an agreement with Ethiopia, many people called me and said to me, ‘Ilhan, you should talk to the U.S. government. What’s the U.S. government going to do about this?

My answer was that the U.S. government would do what we ask it to do. We should have this kind of confidence in ourselves as Somalis. We live in this country, we are taxpayers. This is the country where one of your own is sitting in Congress. As long as I am in Congress, no one can take Somalia’s sea, and the U.S. government won’t support others to rob us. Don’t stress over it, Minnesotans.”

Please note that the interpretation you posted has been debated. Some say rhe first translation is true and others say your posting is true. The fact is we as Americans don't know what to believe.

But lets take your translation as accurate.

Omar literally said "AS SOMALI PEOPLE we are people...

She literally sees herself as Somali and not American. I am an immigrant. I have never called myself a ... because I am an American. I may be from another country, but I am.not another countryman. She says she knows she's a Somalian and a Muslim. She disnt say she was an American.

She actively says she is working on behalf of Somalia and the the US governement should do what they (Somalians) ask them to do, once again noting she is a Somalian. She literally says she is one of "their own".

This clearly indicates where she stands. She is working FOR Somalia in rhe American government as a Somali. Its clear to see where her real.loyalties lie. With Somalia and Somalian Muslims.

If I said "as a Russian I am one of their own. We Russians are brothers and sisters and Orthodox Russians and support each other and our brothers.

And the government will do what we Russians ask them to do. We have confidence in ourselves as Russians and you have a Russian sitting in Congress and as long g as I am here I am goi g to work to make sure no one takes anything from Russia."

If I said that we'd have a lot of people on the left questioning my loyalty to the US and rightfully so. So pardon me if I dont trust her loyalty to America.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Please note that the interpretation you posted has been debated. Some say rhe first translation is true and others say your posting is true. The fact is we as Americans don't know what to believe.

But lets take your translation as accurate.

Omar literally said "AS SOMALI PEOPLE we are people...

She literally sees herself as Somali and not American. I am an immigrant. I have never called myself a ... because I am an American. I may be from another country, but I am.not another countryman. She says she knows she's a Somalian and a Muslim. She disnt say she was an American.

She actively says she is working on behalf of Somalia and the the US governement should do what they (Somalians) ask them to do, once again noting she is a Somalian. She literally says she is one of "their own".

This clearly indicates where she stands. She is working FOR Somalia in rhe American government as a Somali. Its clear to see where her real.loyalties lie. With Somalia and Somalian Muslims.

If I said "as a Russian I am one of their own. We Russians are brothers and sisters and Orthodox Russians and support each other and our brothers.

And the government will do what we Russians ask them to do. We have confidence in ourselves as Russians and you have a Russian sitting in Congress and as long g as I am here I am goi g to work to make sure no one takes anything from Russia."

How is this any different from the hundreds of elected officials in our government who proudly stand with Israel?

Do they also have dual or questionable loyalties?

If I said that we'd have a lot of people on the left questioning my loyalty to the US and rightfully so. So pardon me if I dont trust her loyalty to America.

Here’s the thing. Unless you live and vote in her district, that’s not up to you. Nobody in her district needs to even care who you do or don’t trust. I don’t trust MTG’s loyalty to the country but there’s nothing I can do about that over here in CA besides cry on the internet like you and the president are doing over Omar.

 

[rjs330]

Lying, even to non-Muslims, is one of the greatest of sins according to the teachings Islam.

"Avoid falsehood, for falsehood leads to wickedness, and wickedness to Hell; and if a man continues to speak falsehood and makes falsehood his object, he will be recorded in God's presence as a great liar. And adhere to the truth, for truth leads to good deeds, and good deeds lead to Paradise. If a man continues to speak the truth and makes truth his object, he will be recorded in God's presence as eminently truthful." (Sunan Abu Dawood vol. 3, no. 4971)

"Beware I inform you regarding the greatest of the mortal sins: Associating anything with Allah, disobeying parents and lying!" (Wasaelush Shia)

Sorry but Islam does allow lying to infidels.

Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam

Are Muslims permitted to lie? What is taqiyya?

www.thereligionofpeace.com

 

[rjs330]

How is this any different from the hundreds of elected officials in our government who proudly stand with Israel?

Do they also have dual or questionable loyalties?

If you don't know the difference already, then I can't help you any further.

 

[JosephZ]

She literally sees herself as Somali and not American.

September 20, 2025: "I am proud to be born a Muslim. I am proud to be born in Somalia. I am proud to have become an American." - Ilhan Omar

April 11, 2019: "I am as American as everyone else is." - Ilhan Omar

April 3, 2020: "Our 'Americanness' isn’t a sign you flash or something that needs to be displayed for acceptance." - Ilhan Omar

February 2, 2023: "I am an American." - Ilhan Omar

August 31, 2023: "I remember how beautiful it was to get naturalized, it’s a feeling of belonging that stays with you. [...] Always and forever grateful to America for giving me and my family the ability to live in a country without limitations to achieve my dreams of happiness and success." - Ilhan Omar

July 4, 2025: "I am proud to be American." - Ilhan Omar

March 17, 2025: "30 years ago, my family arrived in the United States, a land of hope and opportunity. I'm fighting so everyone can have a real chance at the American dream." - Ilhan Omar

She says she knows she's a Somalian and a Muslim.

She is.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

If you don't know the difference already, then I can't help you any further.

You’re avoiding the question because you know there is no difference. We have elected officials who proudly stand with Israel. We have an elected official who proudly stands with Somalia. Tell me the difference like I’m 5.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Sorry but Islam does allow lying to infidels.

Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam

Are Muslims permitted to lie? What is taqiyya?

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Again I have to ask… What are the consequences for Christians lying to nonbelievers?