DOJ Quietly Deletes Study After Charlie Kirk's Death That Says Right-Wing Extremists Engage in 'Far More' Political Violence

rambot · Tuesday at 11:19 AM

NxNW said:
The left is showing more empathy for Kirk's family than he did for George Floyd.

Than any right wingers showed for Floyd.

rambot · Tuesday at 11:20 AM

probinson said:
This line of conversation started because someone took a quote from Charlie Kirk out of context where he said that he didn't like the word empathy. The purpose of me posting all of this was to explain why he might have said that. Regardless, the reason people post that quote from Kirk removed from its proper context is to make it seem like he was advocating being uncaring towards others. But as the full quote demonstrates, he said he preferred the words sympathy and compassion. I generally agree with that position for the reasons I've stated.

The quote actually shows he doesn't even know what empathy is. So all that is moot really.

People who thirst for power would always choose compassion over empathy because empathy gives connection and compassion gives pity.

If you feel that you are better than an other, whoever that may be, pity is fantastic! "I get to feel good while I get to look down at others?"
That's not to say everyone who rejects empathy is a power hungry maniac but Empathy is radically vulnerable...and some people don't feel comfortable being vulnerable...

At all.

probinson · Tuesday at 11:39 AM

rambot said:
The quote actually shows he doesn't even know what empathy is. So all that is moot really.

rambot said:
People who thirst for power would always choose compassion over empathy because empathy gives connection and compassion gives pity.

What a ridiculous statement.

rambot said:
If you feel that you are better than an other, whoever that may be, pity is fantastic! "I get to feel good while I get to look down at others?"

Sounds like what you're doing. Look at me! I'm empathetic! Not like those other power-thirsty people who can only muster compassion!

Compassion is not looking down on others. You have to know that's true, which makes me wonder why you would make such a nonsensical statement.

Say it aint so · Tuesday at 12:06 PM

probinson said:
There is no misunderstanding. If you want to tell people you know how they feel, that's certainly your prerogative. I just hope you don't do any damage by inadvertently marginalizing someone's feelings with your vicarious misinterpretation of how you think they should feel.

I will express sympathy and compassion to people, but I will never pretend to understand how they feel.

I am not telling people how to feel. He can dismiss it as some made up word. You can feel how you want. That's on you.
What I will again say I will extend to his wife and two kids the full meaning of that word he thinks just made up.

rambot · Tuesday at 12:41 PM

probinson said:
What a ridiculous statement.

Sounds like what you're doing. Look at me! I'm empathetic! Not like those other power-thirsty people who can only muster compassion!

Compassion is not looking down on others. You have to know that's true, which makes me wonder why you would make such a nonsensical statement.

Dr Brené Brown: Empathy vs Sympathy

probinson · Tuesday at 5:00 PM

rambot said:
Dr Brené Brown: Empathy vs Sympathy

Thanks for that guy's opinion.

Objectively, words have meaning. Nothing about "sympathy" implies "disconnection" as Dr. Brown posits.

probinson · Tuesday at 5:03 PM

Say it aint so said:
What I will again say I will extend to his wife and two kids the full meaning of that word he thinks just made up.

It's amazing to me that you think you can empathize with Kirk's wife. I can't even pretend to understand how it must feel to have your spouse killed right in front of your eyes. I can share in her grief, I can feel compassion toward her, but I have no idea how she must feel.

Say it aint so · Tuesday at 5:15 PM

probinson said:
It's amazing to me that you think you can empathize with Kirk's wife. I can't even pretend to understand how it must feel to have your spouse killed right in front of your eyes. I can share in her grief, I can feel compassion toward her, but I have no idea how she must feel.

Do I have to post the meaning of the word yet again to coincide with the others who have as well?

probinson · Tuesday at 5:17 PM

Say it aint so said:
Do I have to post the meaning of the word yet again to coincide with the others who have as well?

If you like. But apparently, you imagine that you can vicariously understand how Erika Kirk feels. I have no idea why you think that, or why you think it's in any way helpful, but to each his own I suppose.

Say it aint so · Tuesday at 7:36 PM

probinson said:
If you like. But apparently, you imagine that you can vicariously understand how Erika Kirk feels. I have no idea why you think that, or why you think it's in any way helpful, but to each his own I suppose.

Yes. Empathy. Glad you fixed your misunderstanding of the word.

eclipsenow · Tuesday at 7:38 PM

Belk said:
Odd. I think you would consider me on the left yet I did not celebrate his murder. None of my friends celebrated his murder. So how exactly the "the left" celebrate his murder?

Indeed! This is the generic 'othering' strategy of guilt by association. It's like saying "Westborough Baptists shout awful things at people on the street, therefore ALL Christians shout awful things at people on the street."

I haven't gone looking for it, but saw in Australian ABC news some awful behaviour from a tiny percent of the left. A tiny fraction of lefty YouTubers and Tiktok-ers were downright offensive.

But Trump had already blamed this awful event on the 'radical left' BEFORE they had a clue who committed this atrocity!

It's classic othering - where you don't care about the social consequences and divide a nation to maintain power.

Anyway, my son is overseas right now and I'm acutely aware there are different time-zones. What time is it in America? I'll just go check...

probinson · Tuesday at 7:40 PM

Say it aint so said:
Yes. Empathy. Glad you fixed your misunderstanding of the word.

Why do you think it's beneficial to pretend like you can understand how someone else feels? In what way do you believe that is helpful to the other person?

Belk · Tuesday at 8:24 PM

probinson said:
Why do you think it's beneficial to pretend like you can understand how someone else feels? In what way do you believe that is helpful to the other person?

Are you claiming you are incapable of understanding how other humans feel?

Pommer · Tuesday at 9:51 PM

probinson said:
If you like. But apparently, you imagine that you can vicariously understand how Erika Kirk feels. I have no idea why you think that, or why you think it's in any way helpful, but to each his own I suppose.

We’re all capable of experiencing deep and devastating sorrow; being willing to plumb the depths of our own emotions in order to get “closer” to what the actual victim (in the instant case, Erika Kirk), must be going through, takes commitment.

(This is (possibly) why many have such a hard time with empathy, it’s usually reserved for close-intimate friends and family.)

When a celebrity (or other notable people), dies, their fans will be downcast, (possibly). Non-fans expressing a desire to feel some fraction of what their next-of-kin, is touching, but probably not true “empathy”.

(Jackie Kennedy had it worse, “what she must be going through!?” was the topic for a few weeks.)

A2SG · Tuesday at 10:49 PM

Servus said:
Good grief, seriously? You replied to my reply to it. Thus you picked up the ball. And when I asked you to play it, you waffled. We're done here.

You asked for information, I showed you where you'd already received it. Would you prefer I just reiterated what JosephZ said?

-- A2SG, he did a bang up job himself, he doesn't need my help....

Stopped_lurking · Tuesday at 10:51 PM

probinson said:
This line of conversation started because someone took a quote from Charlie Kirk out of context where he said that he didn't like the word empathy. The purpose of me posting all of this was to explain why he might have said that. Regardless, the reason people post that quote from Kirk removed from its proper context is to make it seem like he was advocating being uncaring towards others. But as the full quote demonstrates, he said he preferred the words sympathy and compassion. I generally agree with that position for the reasons I've stated.

Ok, but to me that looks like a strawman-conception of empathy. To me, when I have empathized with someone and had the opportunity to talk about it afterwards the descriptions line up. So it doesn't seem impossible to have empathy.

Servus · Tuesday at 11:10 PM

Belk said:
Are you claiming you are incapable of understanding how other humans feel?

No, it's why pretend to?

Servus · Tuesday at 11:13 PM

Pommer said:
We’re all capable of experiencing deep and devastating sorrow; being willing to plumb the depths of our own emotions in order to get “closer” to what the actual victim (in the instant case, Erika Kirk), must be going through, takes commitment.

(This is (possibly) why many have such a hard time with empathy, it’s usually reserved for close-intimate friends and family.)

When a celebrity (or other notable people), dies, their fans will be downcast, (possibly). Non-fans expressing a desire to feel some fraction of what their next-of-kin, is touching, but probably not true “empathy”.

(Jackie Kennedy had it worse, “what she must be going through!?” was the topic for a few weeks.)

Those who have taken on the "we have empathy" gimmick, showed that they actually have none. They need to come up with a new virtue signal contrivance.

A2SG · Tuesday at 11:26 PM

Servus said:
Good grief, seriously? You replied to my reply to it. Thus you picked up the ball. And when I asked you to play it, you waffled. We're done here.

By the way, you never actually addressed the question I posed in that reply. To refresh your memory, you said:

Servus said:
The perception of the general public is what matters.

My question is, if the perception of the general public is factually incorrect (an example of this has been posed already), then should we not endeavor to educate the general public about their error? Or should we instead compound that error with public policy?

-- A2SG, if you need an example of compounding an error when public perception is incorrect, look no further than the outcome of the 2024 presidential election.....

Servus · Tuesday at 11:39 PM

Say it aint so said:
Yes. Empathy. Glad you fixed your misunderstanding of the word.

"Like we keep telling you over and over again, we have empathy!".

Did you hear that Charlie Kirk was just assassinated?

"Hooray we're so happy! Thank you Mr. Assassin!"

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