Have you understood this?

Dan Perez · Tuesday at 9:47 PM

Spiritual Jew said:
You are mistaken about that. You have to take other scripture into account. I showed you Matthew 18:18 where Jesus said the same thing He said in Matthew 16:19 and He applied it to all of the disciples. Also, you need to consider Ephesians 2:19-22 where it talks about the church having the foundation of all the apostles and prophets and not just Peter. With Jesus Christ as the cornerstone. You need to take all of scripture into consideration whenever trying to interpret any given verse or passage.

And I read Eph 2:19 and 20. and are you sure you wrote the right verses. ??

And I know of. that verse in Matt 18:18 but asked him what CHURCH is verse 19. what does the KEYS. to. the Kingdom

mean and what doe Bind and Loose. .MEAN ??

dan p

Dan Perez · Wednesday at 11:25 AM

keras said:
Which will not and cannot happen before the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium.

keras said:

The timing of Pauls Prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, is for after the Millennium.
Proved by how it will be then that Death is no more. Revelation 21:4 Only in the new heavens and earth.

Spiritual Jew said:

You are mistaken about that. You have to take other scripture into account. I showed you Matthew 18:18 where Jesus said the same thing He said in Matthew 16:19 and He applied it to all of the disciples. Also, you need to consider Ephesians 2:19-22 where it talks about the church having the foundation of all the apostles and prophets and not just Peter. With Jesus Christ as the cornerstone. You need to take all of scripture into consideration whenever trying to interpret any given verse or passage.

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And I read Matt 16:18 many time and it says PETER. and you say out does NOT , and that. means that one of our bibles was printed wrong.

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dan p

Spiritual Jew · Wednesday at 3:51 PM

Dan Perez said:
And I read Eph 2:19 and 20. and are you sure you wrote the right verses. ??

And I know of. that verse in Matt 18:18 but asked him what CHURCH is verse 19. what does the KEYS. to. the Kingdom

mean and what doe Bind and Loose. .MEAN ??

dan p

I answered that already. Did you not read my posts? I have nothing more to add than what I've already said. You are not easy to follow, so I answered based on what I think you are asking and that's all I can do.

Dan Perez · Wednesday at 4:46 PM

Spiritual Jew said:
I answered that already. Did you not read my posts? I have nothing more to add than what I've already said. You are not easy to follow, so I answered based on what I think you are asking and that's all I can do.

And what OP. number was it under ??

dan p

keras · Wednesday at 5:44 PM

Who is wise enough to understand this......... Jeremiah 9:12...........and who has God's command to proclaim it? Isaiah 50:4-7, John 12:37-41

In these last days of the present era, scripture tells us that the Church will, in general, be compromising and have many different ideas of what the future holds. But there are believers who are willing to listen to teaching based soundly on the Word, as presented to us through the prophets. It will be these believers who will be better prepared to face these end time challenges and afflictions. Especially keep in mind that God's promises are addressed to the faithful remnant who truly believe and trust in Him, true Christian believers and only those people will be protected on the Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath, then later, during the terrible time of Satan's domination, until the glorious Return of Jesus. Revelation 12:14

It is sad that many pastors and teachers base their eschatology on traditional doctrines of their denomination or particular theological school, and thereby fail to carefully ascertain what scripture really means. Or when a text does not fit their current beliefs, then they allegorise it, spiritualise it, culturalize it or rationalize it, to fit whatever they think how God should act.

Jeremiah 6:10 To whom shall I speak, to whom give the warning? Who will hear me? This peoples ears are blocked, they are incapable of listening. They treat God's Word as a reproach and it has no appeal to them. Isaiah 28:9-10

Isaiah 29:9-11 If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused.... for the Lord has poured upon you a spirit of deep stupor.....the prophetic vision of it all has become for you like the words in a sealed book.

1 Corinthians 1:20 Where are the men of learning now? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish.

Deuteronomy 32:29 If only they had the wisdom to discern this and understand what their end will be.

Matthew 13:10-15 Why do You speak in parables? He replied: To you it has been granted to know the secrets of the Kingdom, but not to them, for they look without seeing and listen without hearing or understanding. Happy are you that see and hear!

Jeremiah 33:3 If you call to Me, I shall answer and tell you of great and mysterious things of which you were unaware.

Isaiah 48:6 You have heard, seen the evidence, now admit the truth. From now on, I will show you new things, hidden things that you did not know before.
Isaiah 35:3-5 Steady yourself, be strong - fear not. Your God comes to save you, with His vengeance and retribution. THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

After the Day of the Lord's wrath: Isaiah 32:3-4, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17
Isaiah 42:18-19 You that are deaf; hear now! You that are blind; look and see! Who is so blind and deaf as My servants and messengers, the ones who have My trust.

Isaiah 29:22b-24 This is no time for Jacob to be shamed or frightened, for they will praise Me when they see what I have done for them. The confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will accept instruction. Isaiah 44:8, Isa 45:19

Dan Perez · Thursday at 2:12 PM

Dan Perez said:
dan p

And this is for Keras , and says the 1 Cor 15:51 and 52 HAPPRN. before the Millennial Kingdom !!
dan p

keras · Thursday at 3:59 PM

Dan Perez said:
And this is for Keras , and says the 1 Cor 15:51 and 52 HAPPRN. before the Millennial Kingdom !!
dan p

It is impossible for 1 Corinthians 15:51-56 to take place before the Millennium reign of Jesus.
Victory over Death does not happen until after the GWT Judgment. Rev 21:4

This fact is a Biblical truth and the belief of immortality before the final Judgment, is serious error.

Semper-Fi · Thursday at 11:15 PM

keras said:
It is impossible for 1 Corinthians 15:51-56 to take place before the Millennium reign of Jesus.

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible,
but not with God: for with God all things are possible. Mark 10:27

keras said:
Victory over Death does not happen until after the GWT Judgment. Rev 21:4

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:45

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust,
that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh,
but quickened by the Spirit: 1 Peter 3:18 - Romans 4:17

"(as it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,)
before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead,
and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Romans 8:11 (KJV)
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken
your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

When does this happen?

1 Corinthians 15:23 (KJV) 1 Corinthians 15:36
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

keras said:
This fact is a Biblical truth and the belief of immortality before the final Judgment, is serious error.

The bible says 1000 years between Christs return, and the GWT Judgment.
The church will be resurrected at Christ's return. Christ rules with his saints
the mortal nations that survive with a rod of iron. After rebellion is put down,
the saints will help teach the world how to worship the God of Israel correctly.

God Almighty—the Father of Jesus Christ—is Supreme Lawgiver,
and Head over Christ, and over all that is. Eph 1:22, John 14:28

We know that Jesus Christ is to be King of kings, and Lord of lords
over both state and church, united through him.

Resurrected King David, will be king, under Moses, over all twelve
nations of Israel (Jeremiah 30:9; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:24-25).

Each of the original twelve apostles will be a king, under David,
over one of these nations (Matthew 19:28).

"And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father
hath appointed unto me;

But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom,
and possess the kingdom forever, even for ever and ever.
The Saints would have to be immortal to poses it forever.

The parables of the pounds (Luke 19:11-27)
and talents(Matthew 25:14-30)

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

" in the twinkling of an eye"
A nation of immortal beings will be born into The Family of God.
The other nations on earth that survive are still mortal people.

1 Thessalonians 4:1-18 (KJV)
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also
which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of
the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Revelation 20:6 (KJV)
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests
of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

David Lamb · 2025-09-19T02:17:48-0500

keras said:
It is impossible for 1 Corinthians 15:51-56 to take place before the Millennium reign of Jesus.
Victory over Death does not happen until after the GWT Judgment. Rev 21:4

This fact is a Biblical truth and the belief of immortality before the final Judgment, is serious error.

But Jesus said:

““Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.” (Joh 6:47 NKJV)

Not ““Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me will have everlasting life after the judgment at the Great White Throne.”

keras · 2025-09-19T03:02:54-0500

Semper-Fi said:
"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible,
but not with God: for with God all things are possible. Mark 10:27

Gods Word must stand. He has told us that Death will be no more AFTER the Millennium and the Judgment. Revelation 21:4
To believe otherwise is to deny scripture.

Semper-Fi said:
" in the twinkling of an eye"
A nation of immortal beings will be born into The Family of God.
The other nations on earth that survive are still mortal people.

Sheer fanciful ideas, preached and believed by deceived people; immortals will not be present during the Millennium. Only Jesus.

keras · 2025-09-19T03:10:20-0500

David Lamb said:
But Jesus said:

““Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.” (Joh 6:47 NKJV)

Not ““Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me will have everlasting life after the judgment at the Great White Throne.”

John 6:47 does not say when immortality will be conferred.
That information is told to us in Revelation 21 to 22

The whole idea of people going to heaven when they die and what is a worse lie; being raptured to heaven, is false teaching and cannot happen.
People who believe those false and unscriptural teachings are confused and deluded. The end times may be difficult for them.

David Lamb · 2025-09-19T04:07:47-0500

keras said:
John 6:47 does not say when immortality will be conferred.
That information is told to us in Revelation 21 to 22

The whole idea of people going to heaven when they die and what is a worse lie; being raptured to heaven, is false teaching and cannot happen.
People who believe those false and unscriptural teachings are confused and deluded. The end times may be difficult for them.

But surely John 6:47 says that those who believe in Jesus have (not will have) everlasting life.

Semper-Fi · 2025-09-19T11:10:14-0500

keras said:
Gods Word must stand. He has told us that Death will be no more AFTER the Millennium and the Judgment. Revelation 21:4
To believe otherwise is to deny scripture.

So Jesus would still be dead being only mortal then [by your interpretation.]

True, death will be no more after the mill., it does not say no one cannot be immortal
before then. You deny/ignore all the scriptures I posted in post #28 I see.

Dan Perez · 2025-09-19T15:15:24-0500

keras said:
Gods Word must stand. He has told us that Death will be no more AFTER the Millennium and the Judgment. Revelation 21:4
To believe otherwise is to deny scripture.

Sheer fanciful ideas, preached and believed by deceived people; immortals will not be present during the Millennium. Only Jesus.

AND Luke 22:30. that the 12 apostles will judge the 12 Tribes of Israel in Christ Kingdom , meaning the MILLINNIAL Kingdom !!

dan p

Dan Perez · 2025-09-19T15:41:38-0500

keras said:
It is impossible for 1 Corinthians 15:51-56 to take place before the Millennium reign of Jesus.
Victory over Death does not happen until after the GWT Judgment. Rev 21:4

This fact is a Biblical truth and the belief of immortality before the final Judgment, is serious error.

And here is another. one for YOU. IN 2 THESS. 2:3v where , Let no one NOT. //. ME , is a DICJUNCATIVE PARICLE NEGATIVE

means , one way EXCEPT. THE DEPARTURE OF. THE BODY of CHRIST should come b. first and the man of SIN. ( V V meaning the Anti-christ. first and the

man of SIN. should be revealed the son of DESTRUCTION

2 THESS 2:4 , where v the TEMPLE will be built and from verse 5. that the those believers had already known when Paul

told them and had forgotten !!

dan p

keras · 2025-09-19T16:13:31-0500

David Lamb said:
But surely John 6:47 says that those who believe in Jesus have (not will have) everlasting life.

Are you immortal now? If not - is your faith not sufficient?
No; It is the Promise of Eternal life, which we Christians have, not its reality. As described in Rev 21 & 22

Semper-Fi said:
So Jesus would still be dead being only mortal then [by your interpretation.]

Jesus was the First fruit. He was raised to immortality and sits at the right hand of God now.

Semper-Fi said:
True, death will be no more after the mill., it does not say no one cannot be immortal
before then. You deny/ignore all the scriptures I posted in post #28 I see.

I posted a viable refutation.
No one - even Moses or Billy Graham, can receive Immortality before they stand before God in Judgment. They, and all of us; all have fallen short in some way. The decider for everyone, is whether your name is Written in the Book of Life., which will only be opened after the Millennium.

Dan Perez said:
AND Luke 22:30. that the 12 apostles will judge the 12 Tribes of Israel in Christ Kingdom , meaning the MILLINNIAL Kingdom !!

dan p

Your wrong opinion.
Revelation 22:5 says God's faithful servants.....shall reign forever, in the Eternal Kingdom.

David Lamb · 2025-09-20T02:09:03-0500

keras said:
Are you immortal now? If not - is your faith not sufficient?
No; It is the Promise of Eternal life, which we Christians have, not its reality. As described in Rev 21 & 22.

My body will die (unless Jesus returns before that happens), so my body is not yet immortal. However, I, like all in Christ, have eternal life.

keras · 2025-09-20T03:41:02-0500

David Lamb said:
My body will die (unless Jesus returns before that happens), so my body is not yet immortal. However, I, like all in Christ, have eternal life.

Right.
Except that Jesus does not confer immortality to anyone at His Return. We all must all wait until His thousand year reign is over, Rev 20:11-15
The GT martyrs, Rev 20:4-6, will be raised to mortal life, as Lazarus was.

David Lamb · 2025-09-20T04:24:37-0500

keras said:
Right.
Except that Jesus does not confer immortality to anyone at His Return. We all must all wait until His thousand year reign is over, Rev 20:11-15
The GT martyrs, Rev 20:4-6, will be raised to mortal life, as Lazarus was.

Our belief on that will vary according to our view on the millennium, pre-, post-, or a-.

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