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Air Force to provide funeral honors to Ashli Babbitt

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Killing Trump supporters? Well, yeah. Of course I support that. Anyone who voted for him has only themselves to blame if they get shot. Oh, that is if they have also broken into the Capitol, beaten police and security in the process, threated to kill the VP, are trying to reverse the result of the federal election and have reached the last barricade between them and Congress and are breaking it down. Just to have a quiet discussion and present a list of their grievances I'm sure.

Maybe I'd have just enough to time to ask about their voting proclivities before I open fire to make sure I'm not accidently shooting a Democrat who was just visiting with his wife from out of town.

If that action itself, the mob smashing through the last door keeping them from your elected officials is not when you decide that you are at the point of using your last option, then heaven knows when that would be likely to occur. When they are beating the Congressmen and women perhaps? Because we now know you would do nothing. You've been asked enough times and the answer is...crickets. The mob floods past you and you stand there shrugging your shoulders plaintively thinking to yourself 'Well, what else could I do?'

What could you do? Well, your job would be top of my list. Luckily for the people inside it wasn't your job.
You ignored the fact that when the protesters saw the gun they backed off and you just had one person climbing through a window and back up seconds away.
I expect nothing less from someone who has never done the job or had to make that decision.
(Since you decided to make this personal)
 
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Yeah, she was. She was defying the Capitol police and part of a mob attacking and breaking into the Capitol for the purpose of stopping the certification of the election.

The unsupported statements that you make come off as as "nuh-uh".
She did not threaten to hurt anyone. The "mob" did not hurt anyone. They protestors were allowed and guided into the building at other locations, so why assume Ashli Babbit was part of a criminal mob?
 
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Other officers facing a greater threat chose not to use deadly force.
There were lots of angry people inside the room alongside them. But the angry people were trying to get at the Congresscritters. Those officers were not facing a threat coming towards them. They only would have been threatened if they had tried to act.
 
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What I'm not ignoring is that you'd have done nothing but stand there.
I never said that. It's amazing how critical some people can be because I would leave deadly force as a last resort.
I question what Byrd did because I believe it may not have been necessary.
And for that you say that I wouldn't have done anything.
I didn't join this conversation to talk about what I would have done.
But I can tell you that I would have handled it so much better than you
 
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There were lots of angry people inside the room alongside them. But the angry people were trying to get at the Congresscritters. Those officers were not facing a threat coming towards them. They only would have been threatened if they had tried to act.
So the officers were not facing a threat? Actually they were but they chose to stand down,
And after they moved aside the crowd initially attacked the doors but then they saw Officer Byrd holding a gun.
It looks like from the video they stood down then and Byrd just faced Babbitt coming through the window.
And because I think it may not have been necessary to use deadly force someone is saying I would've just stood there.
And I'm talking to people who have never had to make the decision to use deadly force or not
 
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I never said that. It's amazing how critical some people can be because I would leave deadly force as a last resort.
So you let them all flood through the door they've just broken down and then...what? Ask them politely to please stop right there, if they'd be so kind?

That's all you're saying: 'Last resort! Wait until it's the last resort!' You're standing there thinking that as they all stream past you. Or beat you to a pulp on their way to possibly assault the Congress members.
But I can tell you that I would have handled it so much better than you
I shoot the first person through the door. I've told you that. What you'd do is absolutely nothing up to this point. When you actually spring into action and what you'd do then to handle it 'so much better' is a complete mystery.
 
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So you let them all flood through the door they've just broken down and then...what? Ask them politely to please stop right there, if they'd be so kind?

That's all you're saying: 'Last resort! Wait until it's the last resort!' You're standing there thinking that as they all stream past you. Or beat you to a pulp on their way to possibly assault the Congress members.

I shoot the first person through the door. I've told you that. What you'd do is absolutely nothing up to this point. When you actually spring into action and what you'd do then to handle it 'so much better' is a complete mystery.
Thank you for your expert analysis.
Since you know so much about deadly force scenarios do you think Kyle Rittenhouse was justified in his use of deadly force?
As far as what I would have done, when the protesters saw Byrd's gun they backed off and it was just Babbitt coming through a window ( the door hadn't been broken down as you claim. I would have pushed her back out on her backside then guarded the door at gunpoint as the tactical team arrived and helped me guard the doorway.
But you would shoot the first person who made it through, maybe I would have too, the difference is I would try to prevent anyone from getting through so that I wouldn't have to shoot them
Granted it's difficult to say what you would do until you are actually in that situation
 
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...then guarded the door at gunpoint...
So it is a bit of push and shove. But why do you have your gun out? You gonna wave it about for show? They were already guarding the door 'at gunpoint'. At some point you have to use it. As a last resort. And if a mob breaking down last line of defence between them and congressmen and women and you don't think that's the last resort then I'm glad that there was someone there who did.

The whole day was a national disgrace. What happened was shamefull. Beamed live around the world, showing us all what some Americans think of democracy. Babbitt shamed her family, shamed the service she served and shamed her country. And it's a travesty that the air force is honouring her and an insult to all service men and women who gave their lives protecting democracy. Not to trying to tear it down.
 
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So it is a bit of push and shove. But why do you have your gun out? You gonna wave it about for show? They were already guarding the door 'at gunpoint'. At some point you have to use it. As a last resort. And if a mob breaking down last line of defence between them and congressmen and women and you don't think that's the last resort then I'm glad that there was someone there who did.

The whole day was a national disgrace. What happened was shamefull. Beamed live around the world, showing us all what some Americans think of democracy. Babbitt shamed her family, shamed the service she served and shamed her country. And it's a travesty that the air force is honouring her and an insult to all service men and women who gave their lives protecting democracy. Not to trying to tear it down.
She was wrong but that doesn't necessarily mean she deserved to be killed..
Kyle Rittenhouse had to use his gun. Was he justified?
A jury of his peers cleared him.
Byrd was cleared by an investigation
 
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She was wrong but that doesn't necessarily mean she deserved to be killed..
Not many people deserve to die, but if you do remarkably stupid things when there are armed men between you and the people you are trying to get to in the very centrepiece of America's democratic process then we shouldn't be surprised at the outcome.

She wouldn't have acted on her own. There were many people who, by words and deeds, encouraged her and led her to the point where she was shot. They should all accept their part in her death. The only person who was doing the right thing was the guy who circumstances dictated that he pull the trigger.
 
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She did not threaten to hurt anyone. The "mob" did not hurt anyone. They protestors were allowed and guided into the building at other locations, so why assume Ashli Babbit was part of a criminal mob?
Come back to earth. The mob at the Capitol on Jan. 6th injured 140 police officers. AI overview:

Approximately 140 police officers were injured during the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol, with at least 15 requiring hospitalization, while the exact number of injured rioters is unknown. Among the officers' injuries were traumatic brain injuries, cracked ribs, and a loss of an eye. While the official number of reported police injuries was 140, some sources suggest this number may be an undercount of all physically injured officers.​
Some on the right need to get out of their conspiracies and ..untruths.
From an officer who was in the midst of it all:


Pingeon recalls his team being outnumbered and says he was punched in the face by rioters who had descended on the Capitol that day to protest the certification of the 2020 presidential election results, fueled by false claims about election fraud spread by Former President Donald Trump.​
"I was knocked on my back," Pingeon said. "My helmet came down and felt like someone was on top of me and I couldn't see anything. And I remember just thinking, I have to protect my gun, because they stole my baton."​
Pingeon wasn't injured as severely as other officers, but he has invisible scars that may never fully heal.​
From another officer:

A group of officers, mostly from the D.C. department, were holed up in the tunnel after they were overrun by rioters while in the Capitol itself. Injured cops had sequestered themselves in some adjacent tunnels, and fellow officers were trying to help them “because we couldn’t get paramedics or any type of medical assistance into the building, because it wasn’t secure at that point,” Fanone told the Wisconsin Examiner.​
Had the crowd of rioters swarming outside the tunnel managed to break through the defending line of cops, “we would have been trampled to death,” he said.​
Fanone told the committee that some in the crowd were “trying to grab hold of my gun.” He heard some shout “kill him with his own gun,” he testified. “I believe there were individuals in that crowd who intended to kill me.”​
Rioters seized Fanone, dragging him down the steps of the Capitol. They beat him with pipes, stunned him with a Taser and sprayed him with bear spray, he recalled. In the midst of the assault he had a heart attack, and he got a concussion from the blows to his head. In a broadcast months later CNN aired footage of the assault on Fanone from his own body camera.​


On Jan. 6, 2021, it was a crime scene - the site of a bloody, hourslong struggle between law enforcement and a mob of supporters of President-elect Donald Trump.​
"My fellow officers and I were punched, kicked, shoved, sprayed with chemical irritants by a violent mob," Capitol Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell testified to Congress about his experience in the tunnel on Jan. 6. "I could feel myself losing oxygen and recall thinking to myself: 'this is how I'm going to die - defending this entrance.'"​


Ashli Babbitt and her fellow rioters broke windows to get in The police told them to stop and they did not stop. That is criminal. Ashli and her fellow mob members are criminals. Her own actions led to her death.

Stop with the false stories like in your post. They were not innocent little kids.
 
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Come back to earth. The mob at the Capitol on Jan. 6th injured 140 police officers. AI overview:

Approximately 140 police officers were injured during the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol, with at least 15 requiring hospitalization, while the exact number of injured rioters is unknown. Among the officers' injuries were traumatic brain injuries, cracked ribs, and a loss of an eye. While the official number of reported police injuries was 140, some sources suggest this number may be an undercount of all physically injured officers.​
Some on the right need to get out of their conspiracies and ..untruths.
From an officer who was in the midst of it all:


Pingeon recalls his team being outnumbered and says he was punched in the face by rioters who had descended on the Capitol that day to protest the certification of the 2020 presidential election results, fueled by false claims about election fraud spread by Former President Donald Trump.​
"I was knocked on my back," Pingeon said. "My helmet came down and felt like someone was on top of me and I couldn't see anything. And I remember just thinking, I have to protect my gun, because they stole my baton."​
Pingeon wasn't injured as severely as other officers, but he has invisible scars that may never fully heal.​
From another officer:

A group of officers, mostly from the D.C. department, were holed up in the tunnel after they were overrun by rioters while in the Capitol itself. Injured cops had sequestered themselves in some adjacent tunnels, and fellow officers were trying to help them “because we couldn’t get paramedics or any type of medical assistance into the building, because it wasn’t secure at that point,” Fanone told the Wisconsin Examiner.​
Had the crowd of rioters swarming outside the tunnel managed to break through the defending line of cops, “we would have been trampled to death,” he said.​
Fanone told the committee that some in the crowd were “trying to grab hold of my gun.” He heard some shout “kill him with his own gun,” he testified. “I believe there were individuals in that crowd who intended to kill me.”​
Rioters seized Fanone, dragging him down the steps of the Capitol. They beat him with pipes, stunned him with a Taser and sprayed him with bear spray, he recalled. In the midst of the assault he had a heart attack, and he got a concussion from the blows to his head. In a broadcast months later CNN aired footage of the assault on Fanone from his own body camera.​


On Jan. 6, 2021, it was a crime scene - the site of a bloody, hourslong struggle between law enforcement and a mob of supporters of President-elect Donald Trump.​
"My fellow officers and I were punched, kicked, shoved, sprayed with chemical irritants by a violent mob," Capitol Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell testified to Congress about his experience in the tunnel on Jan. 6. "I could feel myself losing oxygen and recall thinking to myself: 'this is how I'm going to die - defending this entrance.'"​


Ashli Babbitt and her fellow rioters broke windows to get in The police told them to stop and they did not stop. That is criminal. Ashli and her fellow mob members are criminals. Her own actions led to her death.

Stop with the false stories like in your post. They were not innocent little kids.
On the day that the liberals bring BLM rioters and pro-Hamas rioters to justice shall be the day that I do agree that the J6 protesters were brought to proper justice. But, I don't see that day going to happen.
 
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On the day that the liberals bring BLM rioters and pro-Hamas rioters to justice shall be the day that I do agree that the J6 protesters were brought to proper justice. But, I don't see that day going to happen.
Do you even google, bro?

Many of the charges were dropped because the arrests themselves were bad:

There's a big difference between kettling and then arresting people protesting in the street and arresting people for breaking into the capitol and threatening elected officials.

And remember, all of the J6 people were pardoned, even the ones who did really bad stuff.
 
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Do you even google, bro?

Many of the charges were dropped because the arrests themselves were bad:

There's a big difference between kettling and then arresting people protesting in the street and arresting people for breaking into the capitol and threatening elected officials.

And remember, all of the J6 people were pardoned, even the ones who did really bad stuff.
Looks like to me that most of the BLM rioters, even when arrested, did not get the justice that criminals deserved.
 
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Other officers facing a greater threat chose not to use deadly force.
That doesn't preclude Byrd from using deadly force, it was just a bad decision on his part.
He's been cleared, be what it may but it was unnecessary
Do you think that the militias would have backed off if Antifa was storming their compounds? I'd say that there'd be a lot of dead invaders.
 
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On the day that the liberals bring BLM rioters and pro-Hamas rioters to justice shall be the day that I do agree that the J6 protesters were brought to proper justice. But, I don't see that day going to happen.
"the liberals are not a legal entity, and pro-Hamas folks come from a vary of stances.

You can disagree with the fact that many J6ers were given due process and found guilty, but they did break the law. Trump abused the power of the pardon in pardoning them. \

As I said, some need to come back to earth.
 
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Looks like to me that most of the BLM rioters, even when arrested, did not get the justice that criminals deserved.
Changing the topic is noted.
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No, you are wrong. No one was trying to assassinate anyone.

Yea, i'm sure they just wanted to have a conversation with the members of congress on the other side of those doors. <sarcasm>
 
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