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Air Force to provide funeral honors to Ashli Babbitt
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Yeah, she was. She was defying the Capitol police and part of a mob attacking and breaking into the Capitol for the purpose of stopping the certification of the election.
The unsupported statements that you make come off as as "nuh-uh".
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Not all officers carried guns. Security officers who manned screening checkpoints do not carry guns. The mob outnumbered the police and security staff. I am still surprised that the officers did not shoot more.
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The tactical team with the mob? Oathkeepers and Proud boys?
Yes, there was a tactical team on the side of the Capitol police. One used his gun when the mob as breaking into the area where congress was.
Your point?
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And? He was part of the team providing for the safety of the Congress.
The mob had their tactical teams.
The mob had their tactical teams.
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Let me get this right. Your response as to exactly when someone should have used deadly force is 'other officers didn't shoot, so no-one should have.'
That can't be what you meant because it's a really stupid argument. So maybe you should try to be clearer.
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Other officers facing a greater threat chose not to use deadly force.
That doesn't preclude Byrd from using deadly force, it was just a bad decision on his part.
He's been cleared, be what it may but it was unnecessary
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Apart from the dumb 'Hey, these other guys didn't shoot,' you have avoided the question. At what point to you take drastic action when the mob is breaking down the last door between them and members of Congress?
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You're still avoiding the question. As the mob is literally breaking through the door, at what point do you take drastic action? Do you stand there as they all flood through heading for the Congressmen and women? I've already told you my position. The first one through the door is the first one I shoot. As opposed to...what? Do you run away and hide? Break for a coffee? Engage in a bit of push and shove with a few dozen hyped up morons?
Whoops. You took too long to decide You're already being beaten by the mob and you've failed in your duty to protect those now in extreme danger.
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At the time, there was one person who was climbing through a window. The other people saw the gun and backed off.
Deadly force should be the last option, not the first.
I hope you and the other posters here defending Byrd will be as enthusiastic when other officers use deadly force, not just when they're killing Trump supporters.
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Killing Trump supporters? Well, yeah. Of course I support that. Anyone who voted for him has only themselves to blame if they get shot. Oh, that is if they have also broken into the Capitol, beaten police and security in the process, threated to kill the VP, are trying to reverse the result of the federal election and have reached the last barricade between them and Congress and are breaking it down. Just to have a quiet discussion and present a list of their grievances I'm sure.
Maybe I'd have just enough to time to ask about their voting proclivities before I open fire to make sure I'm not accidently shooting a Democrat who was just visiting with his wife from out of town.
If that action itself, the mob smashing through the last door keeping them from your elected officials is not when you decide that you are at the point of using your last option, then heaven knows when that would be likely to occur. When they are beating the Congressmen and women perhaps? Because we now know you would do nothing. You've been asked enough times and the answer is...crickets. The mob floods past you and you stand there shrugging your shoulders plaintively thinking to yourself 'Well, what else could I do?'
What could you do? Well, your job would be top of my list. Luckily for the people inside it wasn't your job.
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The so-called "mob" did not even try to hurt anyone there.
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