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6,000 Years?

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What I was getting at is that the scriptures have to be read using the intelligence that God has given us. Exodus 20 and 25 directly contradict one another unless we use our critical thinking. Exodus 20 tells us to not make any images of anything in Heaven. Exodus 25 told the Hebrews to make images of angels for the Ark. Understanding the passages together literally is not possible.
Yes, Scriptures do have to be read using the intelligence God has given us. I don’t know why that’s so hard for people to understand.
 
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For attention perhaps. Most or a lot or all is made up and passed down generation to generation without a shred of seeking truth.
I agree with Tampasteve, your post is offensive.
 
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Yea actually, traditionally, the nephelim were the offspring of rebellious angels, and they were essentially demons. Or demons were the spirits of the nephelim.

And that's why they were giant. They were supernaturally evil. Hence why it God wanted them eliminated at the flood and with the conquests of Joshua and David (hence why he defeated the giant Goliath). Goliath was the last of the nephelim.
 
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Demons having children with humans doesnt make sense to me...I don't know of any examples where demons had a physical body.
I should add, it is not that the demons are having....relations...with women. The idea is that there is a wicked process where the woman and the demon perform a ritual where she is impregnated by a normal human man and the demon possesses/takes ownership over the baby that is to be born. We see some examples in pagan literature and the old temple rights with ritual sex and rituals involving temple virgins and the "god". At least that is how I understand the idea.
 
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Yea actually, traditionally, the nephelim were the offspring of rebellious angels, and they were essentially demons. Or demons were the spirits of the nephelim.

And that's why they were giant. They were supernaturally evil. Hence why it God wanted them eliminated at the flood and with the conquests of Joshua and David (hence why he defeated the giant Goliath). Goliath was the last of the nephelim.
Dumb
 
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As far as I and anyone I know knows, all the supposed scientific evidence that you are not seeking , i.e. evidence the earth is over ten thousand years old, has been disproven time and time again
By whom? And how?
, and the story men made up keeps changing to try not to be proven wrong.
The more data you have, the more you knoe how it actually works. We used to thing the earh was flat; now we know better.
They keep blacklisting the truth, and silencing those who are telling the truth.
I.E., those who have decided for reasons of their oewn that 2+2 must = 17.43, and will not be persuaded otherwise. Which ia to say, silly people.
 
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However long a "day" as before there was a sun to provide a refererence point.
Even before the creation of sun, moon and stars, Genesis describes each day as "morning and evening". Also, it is on the basis of the 6 days of Creation, and the 7th day on which God rested, that the weekly sabbath was instituted. If the Creation days were of indeterminate length, that would be no basis for having the Sabbath once every seven 24-hour days.
Years of indeterminate length.
Not so. Regarding the creation of sun, moon and stars, we read these words of God:

“Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;” (Ge 1:14 NKJV)

The years were marked, as they are today, by the sun, moon and stars, especially the sun.
 
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Why don’t they change it? All the evidence shows the universe is older than that.

For some, there may be too much to gain by holding onto it. Money, authority, control.

While for others, there may be too much to lose by abandoning it. Pride, community relations, identity, perhaps embarrassment.
 
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However long a "day" as before there was a sun to provide a refererence point.

Years of indeterminate length.

Unfortunately, the Word of God doesn't provide technical data.
You do realize that God himself said creation took 6 days when he gave the Israelites the 10 Commandments. Just a heads up…might not be a good idea to teach others it wasn’t 6 days if that’s what God directly said.
 
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Do you find it a coincidence that recorded History is ~5500 years old? That’s about what you would expect if Creation was ~6000 years ago. That’s not silly.
Except that it is not. We have visual and archaeological records much older than that. Even Egyptian and Sumerian records record dates further back and paintings preserved in caves record events in the 15K year range. Gobekli tepe is around 11,000 years old.
 
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While for others, there may be too much to lose by abandoning it. Pride, community relations, identity, perhaps embarrassment.
That seems to be a foolish motive. When the Southern Baptist Convention apologized for their former support of slavery and segregation, they were quite right praised by everyone for doing so.
 
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Hi
there was a creation before the flood when God created everything including man in his image Adam all this God destroyed in the flood except for Noah and everything on the ark the only thing not on the ark was Adam he had died so God had to create a new Adam the first Adam he created was Israel the man of flesh.
but Israel did not obey God and was rejected so God created a new man in his image the spiritual man Jesus Christ who consisted of Jesus the head and his body all those who believed this is man in the image of God which Christ will present to the Father on his return

Love and Peace
Dave
 
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Evidence is a fickle thing. Many different people viewing the same evidence, all think it supports their very different theories. Revealing the presuppositions of all so called objective "scientists". Thereby allowing each to claim the "evidence" supports their own theory, views, or faith. As a YEC, I frankly admit that my faith or theory, is based upon a literal reading of the creation account in the book of Genesis. What are the presuppositions of your faiths or theories?
 
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Evidence is a fickle thing. Many different people viewing the same evidence, all think it supports their very different theories. Revealing the presuppositions of all so called objective "scientists". Thereby allowing each to claim the "evidence" supports their own theory, views, or faith. As a YEC, I frankly admit that my faith or theory, is based upon a literal reading of the creation account in the book of Genesis. What are the presuppositions of your faiths or theories?
I agree about your evidence statement. I take a middle of the road approach, I don't know how old the Earth is or how it all happened. However, I continue to research it and I may never have a solid answer. Both sides, YEC and OEC or Evolutionists ignore facts and evidence that don't support their hypothesis. YEC tend to ignore or use flimsy explanations to explain away evidence such as gobekli tepe, fossils, clear stratified layers of creatures from different times not mixing. OEC or Evolutionists often will ignore issues like soft tissues in dinosaur fossils, c14 in diamonds, etc.

We need to look at everything, including our creation narrative and explore this incredible world.
 
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Except that it is not. We have visual and archaeological records much older than that. Even Egyptian and Sumerian records record dates further back and paintings preserved in caves record events in the 15K year range. Gobekli tepe is around 11,000 years old.
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Recorded history began around the 4th millennium BCE (roughly 5,000 to 6,000 years ago) with the invention of writing systems in Sumerian Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. The Sumerian cuneiform script and Egyptian hieroglyphs are considered the earliest known writing systems that documented actual events
 
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