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The Start of WWIII
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This is the Orthodox way. We don’t know when the end will come, so we have to prepare for our own demise, since either way we will be judged by Christ Pantocrator, but fortunately for us, He is also our advocate and is infinitely merciful, so we must pray to Him and repent so that we can bask in the love of the Holy Trinity which we are called to emulate.
Also regarding the prophecies of Athonite monastics, we must remember what St. Peter wrote, that no prophecy is of any private interpretation. The correct interpretation of what they said is a matter for the Orthodox Church as a whole to address, which includes the laity but also the episcopate, and furthermore it may only be fully comprehensible in retrospect, which has often been the cases with prophecy. For example, there are prophecies of the early monastics, the desert fathers, about the difficulty later monastics would have, which are now obvious in their meaning to us, given the spiritual struggles that the modern world engenders, but which I suspect may have been very confusing and alarming to the early monastic communities that emerged in Egypt in the late fourth and early fifth centuries following the labors of the first hermits such as St. Paul the Hermit and St. Anthony the Great, fighting against the devil alone in the isolation of the desert, which is a vocation which interestingly the Desert Fathers sought to move their followers away from due to the extreme danger faced by solitaries, so that most Orthodox churches at present bless hermits to struggle in a solitary ways only after years or decades of formation in cenobitic monasteries or idiorythmic sketes.
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It is somewhat easier to refer to prophesies, Persians, Israel etc and point to brewing conditions that could lead to WW111 than it is to look at scenarios which are more explosive but- uncomfortably for some- inconveniently involve alliances between the orthodox church and the aggressor.
In reality, there is an elevated risk of a third world war right in our face now and for the last three years. And that is as a direct result of Russia's aggressive, expansionist invasion of Ukraine and slaughter of citizens and military there who are defense of their homeland and their families.
The risk is growing. Worry about that.
In reality, there is an elevated risk of a third world war right in our face now and for the last three years. And that is as a direct result of Russia's aggressive, expansionist invasion of Ukraine and slaughter of citizens and military there who are defense of their homeland and their families.
The risk is growing. Worry about that.
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I am not Orthodox, I am Roman Catholic, but continually pray for peace throughout the world!This has started the many events leading to WWIII. Orthodox Christian prophecies told by Saints and Holy Elders for years and decades are unfolding in front of our eyes. Metropolitan Neophytos quoting a holy elder on this particular event back in 2019. Surreal. Lord, have mercy. Pray that the events coming are lessened.
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How many wars started under Trump's presidency?
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The biggest threat to world peace is US-led NATO's post-1991 desire for world domination and Bush snr's New World Order.
Trump has clearly taken a half-step back from his predecessors' policies whilst Putin is actively fighting against it.
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It doesn't seem you know the Orthodox prophecies. Russia will be used by God as the enemy of the antichrist (the spirit of him) by destroying Europe and the US who worship Satan. At least 4 holy elders say this, including saints.
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Tweren't the Israelis, though, was it?This has started the many events leading to WWIII. Orthodox Christian prophecies told by Saints and Holy Elders for years and decades are unfolding in front of our eyes. Metropolitan Neophytos quoting a holy elder on this particular event back in 2019. Surreal. Lord, have mercy. Pray that the events coming are lessened.
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I'm sure that was intended to convey some meaning relevant to what I said, but I haven't a clue what it was. I'll bet it was really clever, though.
BTW, the earth won't be 4.54 billion years old until next Thursday.
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But in the Orthodox Church we confess ourselves to be the worst of sinners before every Eucharist. I don’t know of the sins of anyone else in terms of what caused them, what mitigations exist, and so on. The only person we can be sure is a truly terrible sinner is ourselves.
Also I would note the dichotomy between mortal and venial sins is primarily a Roman Catholic concept.
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This is not really true, many saints have discussed the idea of "mortal sin" in Orthodoxy, if you've read them, starting from St James in his Catholic Epistle, but if you want a more modern reference, as many do, you may look at the Exomologitarion of St Nikodemos the Hagiorite, excerpted in the link below.
Hope that helps.
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That site is closely associated with the Old Calendarists, so I prefer to avoid it, and use other sites to access Patristic works, of which there are many.
Additionally in quoting St. Nicodemus you are missing the point: we should not criticize third parties over their sin, over the splinter in their eye, given the log that is in our own eye. I am more sinful, as far as I am aware, than anyone else alive. I confess this at every divine liturgy by confessing myself to be the chief of sinners.
What St. Nicodemus wrote was one of several guides available for the private counseling of penitents in the sacrament of reconciliation. It is strict by contemporary standards, not as severe as the Penitential Standards of St. John the Faster, which in turn were not as severe at what came before, but these days people are fragile, and one great blessing of Eastern Orthodoxy is that we don’t have to penance everyone who comes for confession, thus we can encourage frequent confession and frequent communion.
Conversely, the confiteor ante communionem is a public confession before the Eucharist, which includes the Troparion from the Vesperal Divine Liturgy of Holy Thursday - one which these days is usually recited congregationally. Insofar as it is a liturgical text, it can be regarded as extremely authoritative. I can’t worry about the sinful acts of various public figures when I should be focused on my own sins.
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This is something that seems obvious to me. If anyone can say, “look! He committed mortal sins! I am a sinner, of course, but I don’t commit mortal sins“, then that seems to me that that person is by definition, excluding themselves from the Orthodox idea that “I am the chief of sinners“. It may be that some of our Saints did speak of categorizing sins into mortal and venial, but I don’t get that that’s the consensus of the fathers on how we are to understand sin. I think that certain Orthodox teaching, that is, “teaching of which we can be sure is the teaching of the Church“, depends on being able to show that consensus. without that, we have a lot of, yes, even holy people, contradicting each other, and no teaching of which we can be truly sure.
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I always liked the definition that mortal sins are unrepentant blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, hardness of heart, and lack of forgiveness. the problem is none of us can see any of these fully in anyone else, but only in ourselves. that’s one of the reasons I can only look at my own sins, because I can only see my own struggles with repentance.
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