Black Lives Matter and the Racist theory of Evolution

SavedWretch · Sep 6, 2022

sfs said:
You also won't find any evidence in the Bible that Earth orbits the sun, that matter is composed of atoms, or that germs cause disease. The Bible isn't teaching us science.

Um, no. Biologists, including the vast majority of Christian biologists, accept evolution because it is by far the best explanation for what we observe in genetics, paleontology, comparative morphology, and biogeography. If we had a better model, we'd use it.

Actually the Bible does teach how we came to be...maybe you missed it? Gen 1 and Gen 2 ...clearly states God made Adam a person on the sixth DAY and it was good (not a toe and Adam evolved from it over billions of years ). How could whatever you believe Adam to be at that time other than a complete human being, be authorized to name all the animals by name if they haven't even evolved over billions of years). Come on, there is an agenda to want to squeeze unGodly evolution into God's Word. Gen1 clearly states God created "this" and "that"..there was evening, there was morning, day 1....and so on. Let's not forget God said after each mentioned creation at each specific day "It was good". A car manufacturer don't put iron ore on the conveyor belts and say "it is good"....no !, but once the car is complete, you can say it is good. Nowhere in the Word does God demonstrate incompletion in His part. God says, and it is...yes, complete!
May i ask sincerely, why do you want to fit evolution so badly into God's Word? Why can't you either believe as God says He made everything day by day within 6 days and rested on the 7th....or believe what evolution says that you came from monkeys/fish/bacteria over millions then billions then hundreds of billions of years (yea "science" is quite inconsistant right). Just the fact that evolution is really not a fact by testing it scientifically using the method we use to conclude if something is science or not....Scientific Method. Evolution has never been reproduced, observed, and is not consistent...so it fails the scientific method with flying colors. Evolution is theory atheists made up so they can live their sinful lives without consequences. Choose ye this day whom you'll believe...God, or confused men....

sfs · Sep 6, 2022

SavedWretch said:
Actually the Bible does teach how we came to be...maybe you missed it? Gen 1 and Gen 2

I've read it many times. I find it baffling that anyone would read those chapters as intended to be literal historical accounts of anything. That has nothing to do evolution -- it just comes with some familiarity with how ancient literature works.

SavedWretch said:
May i ask sincerely, why do you want to fit evolution so badly into God's Word?

Because I'm a follower of Christ and because evolution is obviously true. This is like asking me why I want to fit the fact that the earth is a globe into God's word. If you tell me that I have to believe that the earth is flat to be a Christian (because hey, it sure sounds like that's what it's saying) -- well, I think that's your problem, not mine.

SavedWretch said:
Just the fact that evolution is really not a fact by testing it scientifically using the method we use to conclude if something is science or not....Scientific Method. Evolution has never been reproduced, observed, and is not consistent...so it fails the scientific method with flying colors.

Might I ask exactly what your credentials are to be telling scientists what's science and what isn't? Every major research university and national academy of sciences, and every relevant science funding agency, scientific journal, and professional scientific society in the world thinks evolutionary biology is a part of science. You don't. Who is more likely to be right?

SavedWretch said:
Evolution is theory atheists made up so they can live their sinful lives without consequences.

That is simply false. Repeating falsehoods doesn't make them true -- please stop repeating this one.

SavedWretch said:
Choose ye this day whom you'll believe...God, or confused men....

I prefer to believe the world God actually made, not what somebody on the internet tells me.

SavedWretch · Sep 7, 2022

SilverBear said:
it can't be proven that microscopic organisms case illness and disease either. Prety much anything you look at is in the end something that cannot be proven just a big accumulation of evidence. Somehow we all manage to get on with our day living with the unprovable theory of gravity and the unprovable atomic theory and so many others.

Oh don't kid yourself, many things pass the scientific method like proving gravity. If you drop a hammer, it will fall at the same speed EVERYTIME at 9.8 m/s/s. We can test it with consistent results, we can observe it.
Same with atoms....A transmission electron microscope can be used to see nanoparticles and atoms. It's observable and reproducible and consistent. Yes, we can't yet see the extra detail of the atom...but so far we know and see it's there like seeing a star in the sky at night. Some things can be proven...but theories like the anti-God evolution theory is a doodad

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SavedWretch · Sep 7, 2022

sfs said:
I've read it many times. I find it baffling that anyone would read those chapters as intended to be literal historical accounts of anything. That has nothing to do evolution -- it just comes with some familiarity with how ancient literature works.

Because I'm a follower of Christ and because evolution is obviously true. This is like asking me why I want to fit the fact that the earth is a globe into God's word. If you tell me that I have to believe that the earth is flat to be a Christian (because hey, it sure sounds like that's what it's saying) -- well, I think that's your problem, not mine.

Might I ask exactly what your credentials are to be telling scientists what's science and what isn't? Every major research university and national academy of sciences, and every relevant science funding agency, scientific journal, and professional scientific society in the world thinks evolutionary biology is a part of science. You don't. Who is more likely to be right?

That is simply false. Repeating falsehoods doesn't make them true -- please stop repeating this one.

I prefer to believe the world God actually made, not what somebody on the internet tells me.

You believe what your liberal proffesors told you that evolution is "science". God's Word says something COMPLETELY different. God specifically says He created everything in 6 days and on the seventh He rested. God goes as far as to define the word for us..."
God created.....there was evening, there was morning, the first day"
"God created......there was evening, there was morning, the second day"....etc....setc.
No such thing as billions of years

sfs · Sep 8, 2022

SavedWretch said:
You believe what your liberal proffesors told you that evolution is "science".

Incorrect. My degrees are in English and physics, and as far as I can recall not one of my professors ever mentioned the subject of evolution. I am convinced that evolution is science because I'm a working scientists in a field (genetics) that intersects heavily with evolution, and I know just how powerful evolution is as an explanatory model for what we observe and just how vast a range of data supports it. I'd be happy to tell you about some of that -- if you're interested in discussion. (By the way, 'preaching' isn't an insult: preaching is the right thing to do if you're in a pulpit. I listen to a sermon every week at church and appreciate them very much. But this isn't a pulpit and you're not my minister.)

SavedWretch · Sep 8, 2022

sfs said:
Incorrect. My degrees are in English and physics, and as far as I can recall not one of my professors ever mentioned the subject of evolution. I am convinced that evolution is science because I'm a working scientists in a field (genetics) that intersects heavily with evolution, and I know just how powerful evolution is as an explanatory model for what we observe and just how vast a range of data supports it. I'd be happy to tell you about some of that -- if you're interested in discussion. (By the way, 'preaching' isn't an insult: preaching is the right thing to do if you're in a pulpit. I listen to a sermon every week at church and appreciate them very much. But this isn't a pulpit and you're not my minister.)

I would like to add. I have a stage 3 brain tumor that medicals could not surgically remove since it is rooted into the stem part of the brain. After the surgery where they could remove a sample to analyze in the lab as to what it was, they established it to be a tumor and put me on radio and chemo therapy. Ater that my cancer specialist looked me in the eye and said "i don't want to see you again, there is nothing else i can do for you"...after everything they gave me max 6 months to live as evidence suggested. It is now 9 months after my so called ultimate "death date". What's my point?...the biology department of science get it constantly wrong and some times they get it right. Can we put our trust in scientists?...from the biology part of science....no! I experienced it first hand. Mri scans show the tumor grew 400% February this year. Docs says it's a miracle in itself that i still work, play sport, talk normal, have total balance and rarely have minor headaches. They said they are dumbfounded.
This is another good reason to put your faith into the Creator and not science(His creation)

Stephen3141 · Dec 17, 2023

lismore said:
'On the Origin of the Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life' by Charles Darwin 1859

It's even in the title. Hopefully people will begin to see through this deceptive, racist book.

EDIT: 'Black Lives Matter' protest and attack many things, but the theory of evolution should be on their attack list. It's a racist theory.

That's an interesting point.

If Darwin used "Favoured Races" in the sense of most survivable, then
this sort of survival is cut free of morality-ethics. It is "survival" by ANY
means, including abuse of other races.

Note, that THIS understanding of "survival" is not compatible with
Christianity, and treating all people by applying God's moral-ethical
law, "without favoritism or partiality" as James says.

Diamond72 · Feb 26, 2024

lismore said:
EDIT: 'Black Lives Matter' protest and attack many things, but the theory of evolution should be on their attack list. It's a racist theory.

Slavery is not natural selection it is selective breeding. In Lexington for example they had comfort girls. In Louisville they produced field hands.

Diamond72 · Feb 26, 2024

SavedWretch said:
the biology department of science get it constantly wrong and some times they get it right.

I am a Christian because with God we can go beyond what Science can do. We do not always get instant miracles. Sometimes miracles are slow and gradual over time as we continue to walk with God. Doctors know that when 97% die 3% are going to improve and get better. Often they do not take that 3% into consideration but there are doctors willing to work with people who want to walk with God. To trust and believe in Him so they can manifest their healing. Exp cancer is your own body attacking itself. It is not a foreign invaders. Some people need to resolve that inner conflict. In some cases cancer can be cured though diet and exercise. Although that plan was developed for heart disease.

I have a friend that battles Parkinson's. So I have done a little bit of research on the brain stem, the more primitive part of the brain and how it is effected by disease.

Thousands of people have had near-death experiences, but scientists have argued that they are impossible. Dr. Eben Alexander was one of those scientists. A highly trained neurosurgeon, Alexander knew that NDEs feel real, but are simply fantasies produced by brains under extreme stress.

Then, Dr. Alexander’s own brain was attacked by a rare illness. The part of the brain that controls thought and emotion—and in essence makes us human—shut down completely. For seven days he lay in a coma. Then, as his doctors considered stopping treatment, Alexander’s eyes popped open. He had come back.

Jipsah · May 19, 2025

solid_core said:
And we see how dangerous multiculturalism became, various cultures are not compatible with each other. Many people will have to flee to the East to live a normal life, soon.

The real stupidity is conflating "race" with "culture". I once heard a school principal (who you'd hope would known better) introduce an Asian student who was going to perform a violin concerto as "representing the Korean culture'. the kid had been adopted by white parents as an infant, and had about as much to do with "Korean culture' as she did with ancient Sumerian culture.

Jipsah · May 19, 2025

Job 33:6 said:
Yawn. I'm sure every white male who lived 200 years ago was racist.

And for my part, I'm sat all ure that only white males were racist back then. <Laugh> I suspect that most folks here would be surprised at the race/ethnicity from whom I experienced the worst unalloyed racist crap. Hint: the worst I ever got from white kids was them pulling at their eyes and "chingchonging" me. Other groups tended to be nastier and more relentless. Just sayin'

stevevw · May 23, 2025

lismore said:
'On the Origin of the Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life' by Charles Darwin 1859

It's even in the title. Hopefully people will begin to see through this deceptive, racist book.

EDIT: 'Black Lives Matter' protest and attack many things, but the theory of evolution should be on their attack list. It's a racist theory.

In a round about way I think your right. Racism is very tribal. Even the same race war between themselves for supremecy in way way or another. At its most cold hearted and factual level evolution is survival of the fittest and categoring life as a means for passing on genes and no other reason. All behaviour can be traced back to surival of the fittest, smartest, most calculated, rationalised and whatever human made idea that will suffice.

Even morality is a by product of survival through cooperation. But as we have seen when the stakes get desperate or even percieved as life and death it quickly becomes tribal and dog eat dog.

It makes things about 'us and them'. Someone is to blame and the aim is to undermine as much as possible any percieved threats from enermies, predators and oppressors.

Broadly speak I think this is because when God is taken out of the picture as evolution claims to explain life and behaviour without the need for God. This also removes any purpose beyond naturalism. Which of course as Dawkins says is blind, cold and meaningless as far as moving towards some goal to improve things morally.

So its not so much evolution as a science but the philosophical and epistem implications as a worldview for human behaviour that naturally flows from such a worldview. Its more or less a substitute worldview for God which will include meaning and morality.

lismore · May 23, 2025

stevevw said:
At its most cold hearted and factual level evolution is survival of the fittest and categoring life as a means for passing on genes and no other reason. All behaviour can be traced back to surival of the fittest, smartest, most calculated, rationalised and whatever human made idea that will suffice.

Hello Steve, thank you for your well written and informative post. I agree with much of what you said.

I remember reading through some of the evolution section in the library where I work, evolution and it's logical applications to social theory was extremely disturbing indeed, praise the Lord most who propagate Evolution Theory don't yet take it to it's logical conclusion or perhaps don't fully subscribe to it.

The means for passing on genes for example, rape has no worse moral connotation than consensual sex, quite the opposite in fact. The strongest dominating the weaker, rape is actually a good thing in Evolution Theory. Sadly abortion and euthanasia have crept into society, praise the Lord there's enough Christian wilderness prophets to slow the march of the rest of Evolution's baggage.

God Bless You

stevevw · May 23, 2025

lismore said:
Hello Steve, thank you for your well written and informative post. I agree with much of what you said.

I remember reading through some of the evolution section in the library where I work, evolution and it's logical applications to social theory was extremely disturbing indeed, praise the Lord most who propagate Evolution Theory don't yet take it to it's logical conclusion or perhaps don't fully subscribe to it.

The means for passing on genes for example, rape has no worse moral connotation than consensual sex, quite the opposite in fact. The strongest dominating the weaker, rape is actually a good thing in Evolution Theory. Sadly abortion and euthanasia have crept into society, praise the Lord there's enough Christian wilderness prophets to slow the march of the rest of Evolution's baggage.

God Bless You

In some ways we are already living this way. When you consider beliefs about pro abortion where the fetus is likened to a clump of tissue rather than a human life made in Gods image from conception.

This same idea is applied to issues like Euthenasia or even the treatment of older people or certain groups who are seen as less worthy where they are left to struggle. Or how a consumer society can look after self first while turning a blind eye at others who are dying of starvation and poverty.

We also see how some nations including western nations have rationalised human rights away based on their own ideas of a greater good. This is because God has been rejected as the basis for human worth.

When HR are based on a transcedent God or greater good (made in Gods image) with inalienable rights then no human or State can use their own beliefs and ideas of what is human worth. But now God is taken out humans are the gods of what is human worth.

Though this is not directly linked to evolution the belief that there is nothing beyond the naturalistic world and that humans are just the product of chemical reactions can contribute to the philosophy that human life is less valuable.

sfs · May 30, 2025

lismore said:
The means for passing on genes for example, rape has no worse moral connotation than consensual sex, quite the opposite in fact. The strongest dominating the weaker, rape is actually a good thing in Evolution Theory.

If you think evolution says anything at all about whether an action is moral or not, you're making a basic category mistake. Evolution does not say anything at all about the moral connotations of rape, consensual sex, or anything else. All it does is describe what happens -- it doesn't tell you whether you should do something or not. Just as physics tells you what happens if you drop a rock on someone from a ten story building, but doesn't tell you whether it's moral to do so or not.

stevevw · May 31, 2025

Qualifying rape as a good thing in evolution theory is importing a moral into evolution that is not there. Evolution is cold, heartless and purposeless when it comes to value or moral good or bad, right or wrong.

But thats the problem we can't help but import morality into the equation because we are also moral beings and this belongs in a different realm to biology, genetics or chemical reactions.

truthuprootsevil · Jun 22, 2025

lismore said:
'On the Origin of the Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life' by Charles Darwin 1859

It's even in the title. Hopefully people will begin to see through this deceptive, racist book.

EDIT: 'Black Lives Matter' protest and attack many things, but the theory of evolution should be on their attack list. It's a racist theory.

It seems they use science to get their points over.

According to science, location somewhere in mid to southEAST Africa is where the first humanoids sprung up. And that includes the ancestors of the neanderthal, they just migrated earlier than the homo sapien.

I think it's strange: in the Bible it says God prepared a garden in the EAST of Eden

Both scientific info and creation identifies EAST.

The Barbarian · Sunday at 2:41 PM

Job 33:6 said:
Yawn. I'm sure every white male who lived 200 years ago was racist. The founding fathers of America had slaves. But we don't run around calling the constitution racist. Let's stick to the actual science.

The ironic thing is, by the 1950s, you would be hard-pressed to find a biologist who endorsed racism. But in the late 1970:

Yet the prophecy again has its obverse side. Somehow, they have only gone so far and no further. The Japhethites and Semites have, sooner or later, taken over their territories and their inventions, and then developed them and utilized them for their own enlargement. Often the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have become actual personal servants or even slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane matters, they were eventually displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites...Neither Negroes nor any other Hamitic people were intended to be forcibly subjugated on the basis of this Noah declaration. The prophecy would be inevitably fulfilled because of the innate natures of the three genetic stocks, not by virtue of any artificial constraints imposed by man.”
YEC and Founder of the Institute for Creation Research, Henry Morris The Beginning of the World 1977

It's not their fault, according to YEC; they're just genetically inclined to be slaves, Morris says.

Not saying that every YEC is a racist; many, perhaps most YECs have rejected the racist foundations of YEC. But we need to remember why YEC is based on racist assumptions.

stevevw · Sunday at 11:03 PM

I wonder if there is not some spiritual disposition towards racism that is inherent in humans. It seems to me that racism stems from something ancient and tribal. I don't think it a coincident that the bible speaks of tribes describing the different peoples rather than race or genetics.

If as a people we were once united according to the bible and then after the fall we divided beginning with Cain and Abel then this inclination to divide ourselves into different groups and seeing the other as a threat is inherent.

Therefore I think fundementally racism is not a matter of science or evolution but spirituality. It defies logic and reason and stems from a core belief that incorporates moral justification as to why the other is a threat.

It doesn't have to be from a religious group. Look at the rise of antisemetism and the vile towards Jews coming from mainstream politics. The level of vitriol towards the Jews is far beyond any rational explanation. It cannot be accounted for by evolution theory.

If its about land and resources and survival then its a dog eat dog world. But its much more than that and I don't think evolution theory can come close to accounting for this.

I think its more a case that evolution theory can for some limit how we see the human nature. If its limited to naturalistic processes and cultural constructions then one way or another there will be rationalisations that divide people and cultivate tribalism.

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