I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

honey badger · Thursday at 12:04 AM

Aseyesee said:
An entering into the gates of the city ...

if we listen\hear carefully He talks to us all the time ... i was sat on a park bench pondering your words 'An entering into the gates of the city ...' in relation to the two keys of David and how they both lock and unlock the door in relation to keeping and not keeping the law and at the very moment a beetle flew into my right eye and so the words 'keep your eye single' came to mind and as God speaks to us where we are went to see what kind of beetle it was knowing there is always more and it was a type of shield beetle ... I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

the city/kingdom we enter is our soul we find having first lost it ....

BelieveItOarKnot · Thursday at 4:13 AM

honey badger said:
call it what you will, but to me it is the message\word of the cross ... and yes i see light in the darkness ...

2 Samuel 22:29
For thou art my lamp, O Lord: and the Lord will lighten my darkness.

What the "light" allows us to see, see?

honey badger · Thursday at 4:43 AM

BelieveItOarKnot said:
2 Samuel 22:29
For thou art my lamp, O Lord: and the Lord will lighten my darkness.

What the "light" allows us to see, see?

to see the light\Truth one must look past their own reasoning\covering ... as in their own measurement of it ....

BelieveItOarKnot · Thursday at 4:54 AM

Aseyesee said:
Did I say holy ...

I see messengers ...

What do you see?

I saw the division of light and darkness before Adam was formed from the dust, Gen. 1:4

Rev looks back, now and forward.

The stars of heaven that were cast to earth were not devils.

The serpent landed in the Garden, "in" the earth called Adam (God's son confined in dust), immediately after God blessed Adam/Adam, Mark 4:15, Gen. 5:2

It was the inner man, Eve who was deceived, and remains that way, only seeing in part and as through glass, darkly.

The dragon persecuted the woman. The carnal man, the external man, doesn't have a clue

We "all" fit the mold

BelieveItOarKnot · Thursday at 4:54 AM

honey badger said:
to see the light\Truth one must look past their own reasoning\covering ... as in their own measurement of it ....

I know it takes a lot to speak truthfully

Nothing personal

honey badger · Thursday at 5:20 AM

BelieveItOarKnot said:
I know it takes a lot to speak truthfully

Nothing personal

Truth can be spoken by those not knowing of the truth they speak ... its the hearing of it which is hard for those having ears that do not hear ...

BelieveItOarKnot · Thursday at 5:26 AM

honey badger said:
Truth can be spoken by those not knowing of the truth they speak ... its the hearing of it which is hard for those having ears that do not hear ...

Whenever we are seated at the table of sharing, if we are unaware of the evil present within us, the evil conscience, we speak blindly, or even worse, as pawns of liars that are not us.

A confession of truthfulness is always in vogue, as a preamble, in matters of God

honey badger · Thursday at 5:39 AM

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Whenever we are seated at the table of sharing, if we are unaware of the evil present within us, the evil conscience, we speak blindly, or even worse, as pawns of liars that are not us.

interesting you say this seeing you have yet to define with any clarity who this covering cherub is ....

Aseyesee · Thursday at 3:11 PM

BelieveItOarKnot said:
I saw the division of light and darkness before Adam was formed from the dust, Gen. 1:4

Rev looks back, now and forward.

The stars of heaven that were cast to earth were not devils.

The serpent landed in the Garden, "in" the earth called Adam (God's son confined in dust), immediately after God blessed Adam/Adam, Mark 4:15, Gen. 5:2

It was the inner man, Eve who was deceived, and remains that way, only seeing in part and as through glass, darkly.

The dragon persecuted the woman. The carnal man, the external man, doesn't have a clue

We "all" fit the mold

God chose his own devil ...

The whole book is reflective of our soul (denoted in one form as three) as is the preaching of the kingdom ...

The serpent is a cast down truth, chief of the field ... a serpent that swallows all the other serpents ...

Adam fulfilled his 2nd forty as God did his, but never entered into his rest ...

The tree of knowledge and the tree of life are the same truth ... (in another form, the masculine and the feminie) ... the separation, the journey of there and back again ..

When I hear/see a single word or a single passage or see what a word is to God in a/
it's natural form, or scenarios that unfold themselves to me in plain sight, the whole (or pure) lanuage/ book or name that is written within opens inside of me each and every time to the extent it overwhelms me with a sheer joy as truth like a river comprised of droplets flow out of my garden, but this tme a garden inclosed (walled in, terrible to look upon, like a city with banners) whose treasure's I alone possess, even though it is common to all ..

Build a city out of any truth and your inward journey ends ...

Jipsah · Friday at 4:52 PM

d taylor said:
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A person has to be born again to enter.

How much does one have to do to be born the first time?

Jipsah · Friday at 4:53 PM

bèlla said:
The Parable of Lazarus and The Rich Man says otherwise. He was not in heaven.

~bella

Then.

Jipsah · Friday at 4:56 PM

Hoping2 said:
Only those who chose to do so will be saved on the day of judgement.

God being absoltely bound by our generally idiotic choices. Right.

Jipsah · Friday at 5:12 PM

bèlla said:
. God doesn’t force us to accept Him.

I would. I can't imagine that God cares less for the people He cvreated than I do my own young'uns.

bèlla said:
We have free will to do so or not.

Yeah, the Bible goes on and on about the overarching importance of 'Free Will", doesn't it? I mean, hey, Free Wil even suprcedes God's Will. Pretty heavy duty stuff, huh?

bèlla said:
What you’re suggesting would allow someone to live wickedly with no regard for their actions and find themselves in heaven anyway.

Yep. I reckon God's Will isn't hindered very much by the allegedly "free" will of His creatures.

bèlla said:
God is just

Except He allows most of His creatures to make decisions based in ignorance and stupidity that will result in Him consigning them to eternal torture.

bèlla said:
Consequence is a fact of life we experience in the natural.

bèlla said:
So given the fallen nature of man, givng them "free will" ia equivalent is automatic damnation to hell to be tortured forever. "For God so loved the world......"

Jipsah · Friday at 5:37 PM

bèlla said:
The verses you posted shouldn’t be read out of context. If you read the chapters in their entirety you’ll see a continued necessity of belief in Christ.

Every knee shall bow.

bèlla said:
God doesn’t force us to accept Him. We have free will to do so or not. What you’re suggesting would allow someone to live wickedly with no regard for their actions and find themselves in heaven anyway.

Offhand do you know of anyone who hasn't done their share of wicked living? There is none righteous, no not one. "Oh, but I ain't all that bad!" Right.

Jipsah · Friday at 5:46 PM

bèlla said:
The verses you posted shouldn’t be read out of context.

They pretty much say what they say, don't they?

bèlla said:
If you read the chapters in their entirety you’ll see a continued necessity of belief in Christ.

Everybody ends up believing in Christ in the end, don't they? Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess.

bèlla said:
God doesn’t force us to accept Him.

Unless He wants to. Ask St. Paul. (Or Jonah - eaten by a fish, for all love!

bèlla said:
We have free will to do so or not.

Scripture on that?

bèlla said:
What you’re suggesting would allow someone to live wickedly with no regard for their actions and find themselves in heaven anyway.

Kinda like St. {aul, again, huh?

bèlla said:
God is just

And ergo sends most of the people He made and presumably loves to burn forever in hell. Good job He doesn't hate us, then.

bèlla said:
and if He didn’t spare the angels who transgressed

Don't know that He tortures them fforever, do we?

bèlla said:
and expelled them. Why would He do otherwise for man when the remedy was given.

Because out Lord Christ came to save us, and He wasn't defeated by stupid human intransigence ,

bèlla said:
Consequence is a fact of life we experience in the natural. The same holds true in the spiritual.

~bella

Better hope we don't get what we deserve, then.

Hoping2 · Friday at 10:33 PM

Jipsah said:
God being absoltely bound by our generally idiotic choices. Right.

Right.
The "rules" have been laid out, and the rewards for heeding, or violating those rules, have been made clear to everyone.
God will judge fairly on the last day.

timothyu · Friday at 11:35 PM

Hoping2 said:
God will judge fairly on the last day.

And we will be responsible for our previous choices. God’s war is against adversity.

Aseyesee · 2025-08-16T07:15:42-0500

If God had not said we would have had no sin ...

David Lamb · 2025-08-16T07:19:43-0500

Aseyesee said:
If God had not said we would have had no sin ...

What do you mean? If God had not said what?

Aseyesee · 2025-08-16T08:57:27-0500

David Lamb said:
What do you mean? If God had not said what?

Thou shalt not eat ...

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