I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

[honey badger]

2 Samuel 22:29
For thou art my lamp, O Lord: and the Lord will lighten my darkness.

What the "light" allows us to see, see?

to see the light\Truth one must look past their own reasoning\covering ... as in their own measurement of it ....

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Did I say holy ...

I see messengers ...

What do you see?

I saw the division of light and darkness before Adam was formed from the dust, Gen. 1:4

Rev looks back, now and forward.

The stars of heaven that were cast to earth were not devils.

The serpent landed in the Garden, "in" the earth called Adam (God's son confined in dust), immediately after God blessed Adam/Adam, Mark 4:15, Gen. 5:2

It was the inner man, Eve who was deceived, and remains that way, only seeing in part and as through glass, darkly.

The dragon persecuted the woman. The carnal man, the external man, doesn't have a clue

We "all" fit the mold

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

to see the light\Truth one must look past their own reasoning\covering ... as in their own measurement of it ....

I know it takes a lot to speak truthfully

Nothing personal

 

[honey badger]

I know it takes a lot to speak truthfully

Nothing personal

Truth can be spoken by those not knowing of the truth they speak ... its the hearing of it which is hard for those having ears that do not hear ...

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Truth can be spoken by those not knowing of the truth they speak ... its the hearing of it which is hard for those having ears that do not hear ...

Whenever we are seated at the table of sharing, if we are unaware of the evil present within us, the evil conscience, we speak blindly, or even worse, as pawns of liars that are not us.

A confession of truthfulness is always in vogue, as a preamble, in matters of God

 

[honey badger]

Whenever we are seated at the table of sharing, if we are unaware of the evil present within us, the evil conscience, we speak blindly, or even worse, as pawns of liars that are not us.

interesting you say this seeing you have yet to define with any clarity who this covering cherub is ....

 

[Aseyesee]

I saw the division of light and darkness before Adam was formed from the dust, Gen. 1:4

Rev looks back, now and forward.

The stars of heaven that were cast to earth were not devils.

The serpent landed in the Garden, "in" the earth called Adam (God's son confined in dust), immediately after God blessed Adam/Adam, Mark 4:15, Gen. 5:2

It was the inner man, Eve who was deceived, and remains that way, only seeing in part and as through glass, darkly.

The dragon persecuted the woman. The carnal man, the external man, doesn't have a clue

We "all" fit the mold

God chose his own devil ...

The whole book is reflective of our soul (denoted in one form as three) as is the preaching of the kingdom ...

The serpent is a cast down truth, chief of the field ... a serpent that swallows all the other serpents ...

Adam fulfilled his 2nd forty as God did his, but never entered into his rest ...

The tree of knowledge and the tree of life are the same truth ... (in another form, the masculine and the feminie) ... the separation, the journey of there and back again ..

When I hear/see a single word or a single passage or see what a word is to God in a/
it's natural form, or scenarios that unfold themselves to me in plain sight, the whole (or pure) lanuage/ book or name that is written within opens inside of me each and every time to the extent it overwhelms me with a sheer joy as truth like a river comprised of droplets flow out of my garden, but this tme a garden inclosed (walled in, terrible to look upon, like a city with banners) whose treasure's I alone possess, even though it is common to all ..

Build a city out of any truth and your inward journey ends ...

 

[Jipsah]

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A person has to be born again to enter.

How much does one have to do to be born the first time?

 

[Jipsah]

The Parable of Lazarus and The Rich Man says otherwise. He was not in heaven.

~bella

Then.

 

[Jipsah]

Only those who chose to do so will be saved on the day of judgement.

God being absoltely bound by our generally idiotic choices. Right.

 

[Jipsah]

. God doesn’t force us to accept Him.

I would. I can't imagine that God cares less for the people He cvreated than I do my own young'uns.

We have free will to do so or not.

Yeah, the Bible goes on and on about the overarching importance of 'Free Will", doesn't it? I mean, hey, Free Wil even suprcedes God's Will. Pretty heavy duty stuff, huh?

What you’re suggesting would allow someone to live wickedly with no regard for their actions and find themselves in heaven anyway.

Yep. I reckon God's Will isn't hindered very much by the allegedly "free" will of His creatures.

God is just

Except He allows most of His creatures to make decisions based in ignorance and stupidity that will result in Him consigning them to eternal torture.

Consequence is a fact of life we experience in the natural.

So given the fallen nature of man, givng them "free will" ia equivalent is automatic damnation to hell to be tortured forever. "For God so loved the world......"

 

[Jipsah]

The verses you posted shouldn’t be read out of context. If you read the chapters in their entirety you’ll see a continued necessity of belief in Christ.

Every knee shall bow.

God doesn’t force us to accept Him. We have free will to do so or not. What you’re suggesting would allow someone to live wickedly with no regard for their actions and find themselves in heaven anyway.

Offhand do you know of anyone who hasn't done their share of wicked living? There is none righteous, no not one. "Oh, but I ain't all that bad!" Right.

 

[Jipsah]

The verses you posted shouldn’t be read out of context.

They pretty much say what they say, don't they?

If you read the chapters in their entirety you’ll see a continued necessity of belief in Christ.

Everybody ends up believing in Christ in the end, don't they? Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess.

God doesn’t force us to accept Him.

Unless He wants to. Ask St. Paul. (Or Jonah - eaten by a fish, for all love!

We have free will to do so or not.

Scripture on that?

What you’re suggesting would allow someone to live wickedly with no regard for their actions and find themselves in heaven anyway.

Kinda like St. {aul, again, huh?

God is just

And ergo sends most of the people He made and presumably loves to burn forever in hell. Good job He doesn't hate us, then.

and if He didn’t spare the angels who transgressed

Don't know that He tortures them fforever, do we?

and expelled them. Why would He do otherwise for man when the remedy was given.

Because out Lord Christ came to save us, and He wasn't defeated by stupid human intransigence ,

Consequence is a fact of life we experience in the natural. The same holds true in the spiritual.

~bella

Better hope we don't get what we deserve, then.

 

[Hoping2]

God being absoltely bound by our generally idiotic choices. Right.

Right.
The "rules" have been laid out, and the rewards for heeding, or violating those rules, have been made clear to everyone.
God will judge fairly on the last day.

 

[timothyu]

God will judge fairly on the last day.

And we will be responsible for our previous choices. God’s war is against adversity.

 

[Aseyesee]

If God had not said we would have had no sin ...

 

[David Lamb]

If God had not said we would have had no sin ...

What do you mean? If God had not said what?

 

[Aseyesee]

What do you mean? If God had not said what?

Thou shalt not eat ...

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

God chose his own devil ...

Was it only Him?

 

[honey badger]

If God had not said we would have had no sin ...

this in itself gives reason for the serpent as a necessary part of the process ...