Darwinian evolution - still a theory in crisis.

AV1611VET · Tuesday at 8:17 PM

BCP1928 said:
In what university science class did you have that experience?

The same one you had it in.

BCP1928 · Tuesday at 8:20 PM

AV1611VET said:
The same one you had it in.

I didn't have it at all. Really, you should tell us, because any university science class conducted in that fashion need to be publically condemned.

AV1611VET · Tuesday at 8:26 PM

BCP1928 said:
I didn't have it at all.

Neither did I.

BCP1928 said:
Really, you should tell us, because any university science class conducted in that fashion need to be publically condemned.

Bingo.

So I'll say this again:

College science professors expect you to believe what they teach you, or it's curtains.

BCP1928 · Tuesday at 8:34 PM

AV1611VET said:
Neither did I.

Bingo.

So I'll say this again:

College science professors expect you to believe what they teach you, or it's curtains.

Not in any science class I (or apparently anyone else here) ever took at college. What I learned about Pluto at college was that it was classified as a planet based on information available at the time,

AV1611VET · Tuesday at 8:41 PM

BCP1928 said:
Not in any science class I (or apparently anyone else here) ever took at college. What I learned about Pluto at college was that it was classified as a planet based on information available at the time,

QV my new challenge thread.

The Barbarian · Tuesday at 9:00 PM

AV1611VET said:
College science professors expect you to believe what they teach you, or it's curtains.

I took my first graduate course in immunology from a professor who was a YEC. He made no secret of his beliefs, but he never expected any of us to believe them. When I taught a biology class, I had at least one YEC. I told the class that all they had to do was learn what scientists say about the issue, and if they wanted to add "I don't believe any of that" on their papers, that would be fine.

River Jordan · Tuesday at 11:10 PM

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Copying the definition from an online dictionary only shows that you can copy the definition from an online dictionary.

Making a list of scientists with Steve as a first is not snobbery. Making a list of scientists, many of whom aren't biologists, to try and show that evolution is incorrect isn't snobbery either, actually. It's an appeal to authority, sure, but not snobbery. It's wrong and incorrect but not snobbery.

It's not just that, it's that if you say to biologists "there is more to the history of life than mutation and natural selection" I'm sure just about all of them would reply "Well duh".

River Jordan · Tuesday at 11:14 PM

Hvizsgyak said:
Have you read the responses from some of these posters? Some of them are very direct in saying "this is how it is" and I'm not talking about the "hypothesis and theory" understanding.

Previously you said scientists said "you have to believe us" and no matter how many times I asked you for an example, you didn't even bother to reply.

So until you give an example of what you just claimed about people here, I'm going to assume it's the same as what you said about scientists.

Bradskii · 2025-08-13T00:16:47-0500

Hvizsgyak said:
I am going to get to know it...

But you plainly haven't.

Bradskii · 2025-08-13T00:23:29-0500

Hvizsgyak said:
...I break it down so even a 10 year old can understand it (if necessary). Science needs to start communicating with the common man world better.

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If some of this is too difficult then ask.

Bradskii · 2025-08-13T00:25:47-0500

Hvizsgyak said:
Now show those same steps in creating a living organism (with no scientific help) from non-living materials (that means no scientific lab to play around in). Can the steps be as nicely laid out as the Toyota Camry's problem?

The thread is about evolution. Not abiogenesis. There are those in this thread who can simplify any aspect of evolution is you like. But maybe you'd be better off checking that link I gave above.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-08-13T02:14:07-0500

Hvizsgyak said:
Well, we made it to page 60. Not sorry to say, but nothing any of you said made me believe man evolved from a single cell organism through millions of years. I'll continue to promote that evolution has lots of holes in it to everyone I speak to about it. It has been a pleasure.

Tell us you've learnt and understood nothing without telling us that you've learnt and understood nothing.

Larniavc · 2025-08-13T03:23:43-0500

The Barbarian said:
if they wanted to add "I don't believe any of that" on their papers, that would be fine.

Coming from the UK that’s VERY strange to hear.

Bradskii · 2025-08-13T03:34:17-0500

Larniavc said:
Coming from the UK that’s VERY strange to hear.

Question 6 (worth 8 marks): Describe briefly the differences between continental drift and plate tectonics:

'Continental drift was a proposal of the early 20th century scientist Alfred Wegener. He suggested...etc etc while plate tectonics says that continents rest on....etc etc. Tectonic activity causes seafloor spreading etc etc.'

Note to examiner: I don't believe a single word of anything that I wrote above.

The Barbarian · 2025-08-13T08:39:03-0500

Larniavc said:
Coming from the UK that’s VERY strange to hear.

I get it. But sometimes those students just need the course to graduate. And maybe my being aware of their conflicts might even lead them to take a closer look at the issue.

Jerry N. · 2025-08-13T09:35:58-0500

The Barbarian said:
I get it. But sometimes those students just need the course to graduate. And maybe my being aware of their conflicts might even lead them to take a closer look at the issue.

There are two types of teachers: Those who want the students to think for themselves and hopefully go beyond the knowledge of the teacher, and those who don’t. For the latter, it is a power trip that leads to a kind of brainwashing. Some students figure it out, and some don’t.

Larniavc · 2025-08-13T09:41:28-0500

Jerry N. said:
For the latter, it is a power trip that leads to a kind of brainwashing. Some students figure it out, and some don’t.

Never met that attitude outside of a church.

AV1611VET · 2025-08-13T10:15:49-0500

Jerry N. said:
There are two types of teachers: Those who want the students to think for themselves and hopefully go beyond the knowledge of the teacher,

And how do they learn that knowledge in the first place?

By thinking for themselves?

I don't think so.

And for the record, I've seen those who "think for themselves" in areas not covered by science or Scripture get ridiculed and placed on IGNORE.

Jerry N. · 2025-08-13T10:16:55-0500

Larniavc said:
Never met that attitude outside of a church.

Good for you.

Jerry N. · 2025-08-13T10:20:02-0500

AV1611VET said:
And how do they learn that knowledge in the first place?

By thinking for themselves?

Who are the "they"?

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