How did Jesus end the law without abolishing it?

pastorwaris said:

Please read carefully again the post because your answer is inside the post.
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i read your post many times, it is strange and incomprehensible.

what are examples of walking in the spirit.

Veni said:

i read your post many times, it is strange and incomprehensible.

what are examples of walking in the spirit.

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Dear Brother in Christ,

Thank you for taking the time to read the post multiple times your honesty and hunger to understand are encouraging signs of someone truly seeking truth. I genuinely appreciate your transparency in saying "it is strange and incomprehensible." That’s okay! Sometimes, spiritual truths can initially seem confusing, especially when they challenge our traditions or stretch our understanding (1 Corinthians 2:14).

You also asked a powerful and important question:

"What are examples of walking in the Spirit?"

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Let’s go there together step by step and may the Word of God bring clarity.

What Does “Walking in the Spirit” Mean?​

To “walk in the Spirit” simply means to live moment by moment in dependence on the Holy Spirit allowing Him to guide your thoughts, choices, and behaviors. It is the opposite of walking in the flesh, which is following our sinful nature.

Paul writes clearly:

“Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.”
(Galatians 5:16)

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This is not just a command it’s a promise. When we walk in the Spirit, the power of sin is broken in our lives.

Examples of Walking in the Spirit​

Here are some everyday examples to help make it practical:

1. Choosing to forgive when you want revenge.​

Jesus said, “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you” (Matthew 5:44).
When you do that, that’s not your flesh that’s the Spirit at work in you.

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2. Responding with patience when you’re provoked.​

Patience is a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22).
Your old self might lash out, but the Spirit leads you to be slow to anger (James 1:19).

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3. Being led to pray for someone in your heart without being told.​

Romans 8:14 says, “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.”
The Spirit nudges us to pray, to intercede, to help someone in need.

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4. Living in humility instead of pride.​

Jesus, full of the Spirit, humbled Himself and washed the feet of His disciples (John 13:12–17).
When we walk humbly with others, preferring them above ourselves, it is evidence of walking in the Spirit.

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5. Crucifying your fleshly desires.​

Galatians 5:24 says, “Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.”
This is not a one-time event. It’s daily surrender.

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How Does This Connect to Jesus and the Law?​

You mentioned the topic "How did Jesus end the Law without abolishing it?"
That’s key to understanding the role of the Spirit.

Jesus said:

“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.”
(Matthew 5:17)

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He fulfilled the righteous requirements of the Law perfectly. And now, by His Spirit, He enables us to live out that righteousness not by following a list of rules, but by following His Spirit. That’s why Paul says:

“...the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
(Romans 8:4)

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Jesus ended the Law as a system of external commandments by fulfilling it. Now, He writes the Law on our hearts (Hebrews 10:16), and we live it out by walking in His Spirit.

Dear Brother,​

Don’t be discouraged if it feels “strange” or “incomprehensible” at first. Even Jesus’ disciples didn’t understand everything right away. But Jesus said:

“When He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth.” (John 16:13)

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Ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand. Stay in the Word. Pray. Keep seeking. God rewards those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6).

You’re not alone in this walk, we’re all growing, and I’m cheering you on in the Lord.
Let’s walk together not by might, not by power, but by His Spirit! (Zechariah 4:6)

In His grace,
Pastor Waris

pastorwaris said:

Dear Brother in Christ,

Thank you for taking the time to read the post multiple times your honesty and hunger to understand are encouraging signs of someone truly seeking truth. I genuinely appreciate your transparency in saying "it is strange and incomprehensible." That’s okay! Sometimes, spiritual truths can initially seem confusing, especially when they challenge our traditions or stretch our understanding (1 Corinthians 2:14).

You also asked a powerful and important question:


Let’s go there together step by step and may the Word of God bring clarity.

What Does “Walking in the Spirit” Mean?​

To “walk in the Spirit” simply means to live moment by moment in dependence on the Holy Spirit allowing Him to guide your thoughts, choices, and behaviors. It is the opposite of walking in the flesh, which is following our sinful nature.

Paul writes clearly:

This is not just a command it’s a promise. When we walk in the Spirit, the power of sin is broken in our lives.

Examples of Walking in the Spirit​

Here are some everyday examples to help make it practical:

1. Choosing to forgive when you want revenge.​

2. Responding with patience when you’re provoked.​

3. Being led to pray for someone in your heart without being told.​

4. Living in humility instead of pride.​

5. Crucifying your fleshly desires.​

How Does This Connect to Jesus and the Law?​

You mentioned the topic "How did Jesus end the Law without abolishing it?"
That’s key to understanding the role of the Spirit.

Jesus said:

He fulfilled the righteous requirements of the Law perfectly. And now, by His Spirit, He enables us to live out that righteousness not by following a list of rules, but by following His Spirit. That’s why Paul says:


Jesus ended the Law as a system of external commandments by fulfilling it. Now, He writes the Law on our hearts (Hebrews 10:16), and we live it out by walking in His Spirit.

Dear Brother,​

Don’t be discouraged if it feels “strange” or “incomprehensible” at first. Even Jesus’ disciples didn’t understand everything right away. But Jesus said:

Ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand. Stay in the Word. Pray. Keep seeking. God rewards those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6).

You’re not alone in this walk, we’re all growing, and I’m cheering you on in the Lord.
Let’s walk together not by might, not by power, but by His Spirit! (Zechariah 4:6)

In His grace,
Pastor Waris

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Jesus fulfill the law by being humble. Is this what you're saying Pastor?


Psalm 149:4
For the Lord takes delight in his people; he crowns the humble with victory.

Psalm 25:9
He guides the humble in what is right and teaches them his way.

Psalm 147:6
The Lord sustains the humble but casts the wicked to the ground.

The Laws, just like God Himself, remain fixed against all evil and lawlessness

That will never change

Veni said:

Jesus fulfill the law by being humble. Is this what you're saying Pastor?


Psalm 149:4
For the Lord takes delight in his people; he crowns the humble with victory.

Psalm 25:9
He guides the humble in what is right and teaches them his way.

Psalm 147:6
The Lord sustains the humble but casts the wicked to the ground.

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Dear Brother in Christ,

Yes, you’ve captured a key part of it, Jesus did fulfill the Law by walking in perfect humility. But it was more than humility alone; it was humility combined with absolute obedience to the Father’s will.

The verses you’ve shared are powerful reminders of how God Himself views humility:

“For the Lord takes delight in His people; He crowns the humble with victory.” (Psalm 149:4)
“He guides the humble in what is right and teaches them His way.” (Psalm 25:9)
“The Lord sustains the humble but casts the wicked to the ground.” (Psalm 147:6)

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Jesus embodied this perfectly. Philippians 2:8 tells us, “And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to death even death on a cross!” This humility wasn’t weakness; it was strength under complete surrender to God’s plan.

In fulfilling the Law, Jesus did what no man could. He lived it out flawlessly, not just in outward actions but in heart, motive, and spirit. His humility allowed Him to:

• Depend completely on the Father (John 5:19)
• Serve instead of dominate (Mark 10:45)
• Obey without compromise, even when it meant the cross (Matthew 26:39)

Here’s the connection:
the Law pointed to righteousness, but human pride always fell short. Jesus, in humility, became the very righteousness of God for us (2 Corinthians 5:21). In doing so, He fulfilled the Law’s demands and opened the door for us to live that same righteousness not through our own strength, but by His Spirit living in us.

So yes, brother, humility is not just a side virtue; it’s the very pathway through which Jesus fulfilled the Law and through which we now “walk in the Spirit.” As we humble ourselves daily before Him, we’re not abolishing God’s standard. We’re allowing Christ to live it out through us.

Let’s keep walking this path together, knowing that “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble” (James 4:6). That grace is our victory.

Blessings!

BelieveItOarKnot said:

The Laws, just like God Himself, remain fixed against all evil and lawlessness

That will never change

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Dear Brother in Christ,

Amen! you are absolutely right. God’s moral standards, like His nature, are unchanging. “For I the Lord do not change” (Malachi 3:6). The Law reflects God’s holiness and His stand against all evil and lawlessness, and that will never shift with time or culture.

When Jesus came, He did not cancel that righteous standard. Instead, He fulfilled it in Himself. By living a sinless life, He met every demand of the Law both in letter and in spirit and then, through His death and resurrection, He made a way for us to live in that righteousness through His Spirit.

Think of it like this:

• The Law remains a mirror showing us God’s holy character and revealing our need for grace (Romans 3:20).
• Jesus is the fulfillment of that Law, enabling us to walk in its truth not by our own strength, but by His life in us (Romans 8:3-4).

This is why Paul could say, “Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.” (Romans 3:31)

The Law still declares, “God is against sin.” What’s changed is the way we live it out no longer through our own striving, but by humbly yielding to Christ, who writes His Law on our hearts (Hebrews 10:16).

So yes, brother, the Law’s stand against evil will never change and praise God, neither will His mercy and power to transform us so we can live in alignment with it.

In His grace and truth,

pastorwaris said:

Instead, He fulfilled it

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God is and remains against all evil and lawlessness, regardless of any claims that He fulfilled anything.

Evil and lawlessness still exist and God in Christ still remains against all those things

Don't know how anyone can say that has been set aside because Jesus fulfilled anything

Perhaps you can justify Jesus now being for and in behalf of evil and lawlessness since He fulfilled the laws?

pastorwaris said:

What’s changed is the way we live it out

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I'm not aware of any person becoming sinless because of what Jesus did either.

I also do not buy into any stories that God is merciful to evil and lawlessness either. Quite the contrary. The bodies of all people die precisely because of sin.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

I also do not buy into any stories that God is merciful to evil and lawlessness either. Quite the contrary. The bodies of all people die precisely because of sin.

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So then you agree with the eternal lake of fire for all evil and lawless people, right?

BelieveItOarKnot said:

God is and remains against all evil and lawlessness, regardless of any claims that He fulfilled anything.

Evil and lawlessness still exist and God in Christ still remains against all those things

Don't know how anyone can say that has been set aside because Jesus fulfilled anything

Perhaps you can justify Jesus now being for and in behalf of evil and lawlessness since He fulfilled the laws?

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Dear Brother,

You are absolutely right, God has never, and will never, be for evil or lawlessness. Hebrews 13:8 says, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.” His character hasn’t changed, and His holiness hasn’t softened.

When we say Jesus “fulfilled” the Law, it doesn’t mean He set aside God’s moral standard or gave sin a free pass. It means He perfectly satisfied the Law’s righteous requirements (Romans 8:3–4) so that salvation is no longer about us trying and failing to earn righteousness through works, but about receiving His righteousness by faith.

Evil still exists, but Jesus’ fulfillment of the Law means sin no longer has the final word for those in Him. The same God who gave the Law now writes it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33), so we live in obedience not to earn His favor, but because we already have it through Christ.

So no, Jesus isn’t “for” lawlessness. In fact, His Spirit within us gives us the power to live godly lives and to stand against it every day (Titus 2:11–12).

BelieveItOarKnot said:

I'm not aware of any person becoming sinless because of what Jesus did either.

I also do not buy into any stories that God is merciful to evil and lawlessness either. Quite the contrary. The bodies of all people die precisely because of sin.

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Dear Brother,

I hear you, none of us has become sinless in this life because of what Jesus did. 1 John 1:8 reminds us, “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves.” But here’s the good news: while perfection awaits us in eternity, Christ’s work on the cross broke sin’s power over us now (Romans 6:14).

And you’re right , God is never “merciful” toward evil itself. His mercy is toward sinners who repent and turn to Him, not toward the sin they commit. In Jesus, God’s justice and mercy met: sin was punished at the cross, and grace was offered to all who believe.

Our bodies still die because of sin’s curse, but because of Jesus, death doesn’t have the last word (1 Corinthians 15:55–57).

How did Jesus end the law without abolishing it?​

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He didn't end the law, he fulfilled it.
He offered his life as a sacrifice for sin - we don't find forgiveness through the sacrifice of animals, but because of Jesus.
John says that when we confess our sins, he forgives us and makes us clean. Cleanliness, and holiness, are not a matter of washing hands, eating the right foods, wearing clothes of only one fabric - we are clean through Jesus.

pastorwaris said:

But here’s the good news: while perfection awaits us in eternity, Christ’s work on the cross broke sin’s power over us now (Romans 6:14).

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Dominion is one thing. Eradication claims are just a common form of spiritual blindness or an outright lie. We all know full well and entirely that we think lawless evil thoughts, most often blindsided out of left field, out of nowhere, it hits. These are "reminders" of our truthful condition, no different than Paul getting a messenger of Satan, temptation, in his own flesh. 2 Cor. 12:7, Gal. 4:14

There is no possible way for the evil that comes from within ALL of us to be legally obedient. It's not in the cards, nor was it ever.

That same evil within causes us to falsely justify ourselves and to condemn other people, the exact same sinners, to burn alive forever.

There is only one honest conclusion derived from the laws and that verdict is GUILTY. Romans 3:19

I think it is wonderful, marvelous, that God's Laws are against lawlessness and evil. Fantastic. I would expect no less. Within the laws are beautiful things, most often unseen, not even written, yet therein, plain as day once seen, 1 Cor. 9:9-10

Even if the conclusions are derogatory to me, personally. There is no use in lying hypocrisy about these matters

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Dominion is one thing. Eradication claims are just a common form of spiritual blindness or an outright lie. We all know full well and entirely that we think lawless evil thoughts, most often blindsided out of left field, out of nowhere, it hits. These are "reminders" of our truthful condition, no different than Paul getting a messenger of Satan, temptation, in his own flesh. 2 Cor. 12:7, Gal. 4:14

There is no possible way for the evil that comes from within ALL of us to be legally obedient. It's not in the cards, nor was it ever.

That same evil within causes us to falsely justify ourselves and to condemn other people, the exact same sinners, to burn alive forever.

There is only one honest conclusion derived from the laws and that verdict is GUILTY. Romans 3:19

I think it is wonderful, marvelous, that God's Laws are against lawlessness and evil. Fantastic. I would expect no less. Within the laws are beautiful things, most often unseen, not even written, yet therein, plain as day once seen, 1 Cor. 9:9-10

Even if the conclusions are derogatory to me, personally. There is no use in lying hypocrisy about these matters

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Dear Brother in Christ,

I appreciate your honesty here , you’re right, Scripture is clear that in this life we still battle the pull of sin and lawlessness within (Romans 7:21–24). The presence of temptation is not a sign that Christ’s work failed, but a reminder of our need for His grace every moment.

When I say Christ “broke sin’s power” (Romans 6:14), I don’t mean He eradicated all sinful impulses now. I mean He broke its dominion sin no longer has the legal right to own us. Yes, we still face attacks “out of left field,” as you said, but in Christ we no longer have to be slaves to those impulses.

The Law rightly declares us guilty (Romans 3:19), but the cross declares us forgiven. And that forgiveness isn’t a license for hypocrisy it’s an invitation to walk humbly, acknowledging our weakness while trusting His strength.

The beauty you see in God’s Law even when it confronts us is exactly what drives us to Christ, the only One who fulfilled it perfectly on our behalf. That’s where both truth and mercy meet.

Blessings

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Yes, we still face attacks “out of left field,” as you said, but in Christ we no longer have to be slaves to those impulses.

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The matters I like to bring in view on these things is this:

When we "picture" ourselves with the scriptures in mind, and we only heap upon ourselves "the blessings, the blessings" knowing very often and full well that the tempter is also in play in our own minds and hearts, we are trying to squeeze too much past the gatekeeper.

IF you think about it, God cursing the tempter in us is also a blessing.

Even the bad Words of God are technically in our behalves.

Jesus looking at Peter and rebuking Satan was a BLESSING to Peter, just as it would be for any of us. Those same rebukes apply to all of us because it's not just "me" or "you" standing in our own shoes

Satan is going to do what Satan does, regardless of our "attempts" to "do better."

BelieveItOarKnot said:

The matters I like to bring in view on these things is this:

When we "picture" ourselves with the scriptures in mind, and we only heap upon ourselves "the blessings, the blessings" knowing very often and full well that the tempter is also in play in our own minds and hearts, we are trying to squeeze too much past the gatekeeper.

IF you think about it, God cursing the tempter in us is also a blessing.

Even the bad Words of God are technically in our behalves.

Jesus looking at Peter and rebuking Satan was a BLESSING to Peter, just as it would be for any of us. Those same rebukes apply to all of us because it's not just "me" or "you" standing in our own shoes

Satan is going to do what Satan does, regardless of our "attempts" to "do better."

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Dear Brother,

I appreciate your insight, you’ve touched on a powerful truth. Yes, even God’s rebukes are blessings when they expose the enemy’s schemes and turn us back to His ways. Proverbs 3:11–12 reminds us that the Lord disciplines those He loves, and that discipline is always for our good.

You’re right when Jesus rebuked Peter, it wasn’t rejection, it was protection. The same applies to us. God’s “hard words” often guard us from greater harm and remind us we’re in a spiritual battle where the tempter is always at work.

Thank you for pointing us to this balance: blessings aren’t only the “pleasant” things, but also the moments God corrects, confronts, and rescues us from the traps we don’t even see.

Blessings!

Rom_10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

When Jesus came salvation for Israel was to be found in faith in Jesus as Messiah. There was a degree of righteousness in law keeping, but now righteousness was to be found in faith for those that believed. This was not the end of the law, just the end of the law as a source of righteousness for those who have faith.

In a way faith was an implicit requirement previously in law keeping as the Pharisees who kept the law were told they already had their reward (the admiration of others). That they thought they were obtaining their own righteousness was manifest by the contempt they had for others.

Knowledge puffs up = pride = self-deception = distance from God
humility = access to truth = closeness to God

The law for Israel still continues and when a faithful remnant receive their King and his earthly kingdom after the tribulation, they will have the law written in their hearts.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

God is and remains against all evil and lawlessness, regardless of any claims that He fulfilled anything.

Evil and lawlessness still exist and God in Christ still remains against all those things

Don't know how anyone can say that has been set aside because Jesus fulfilled anything

Perhaps you can justify Jesus now being for and in behalf of evil and lawlessness since He fulfilled the laws?

I'm not aware of any person becoming sinless because of what Jesus did either.

I also do not buy into any stories that God is merciful to evil and lawlessness either. Quite the contrary. The bodies of all people die precisely because of sin.

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You are right to question this world's religious system, and the doctrines and philosophies promoted therein. Of all the things Jesus could have warned about, Islam, Atheism, Buddhism, satanism, HE didn't mention them in the question posed to Him in Matt. 24 3. He warned them about "Many", who come in His Name, claiming the HE is truly the Christ, that would deceive "many".. Paul warned of the same thing. Men who "transform themselves" as "apostles of Christ."

I am a nobody, but I would share some things I come to understand since "coming out of" this world's religious system, and welcome you to test the spirit of the belief through the Holy Scriptures.

One thing, it is man's tradition to Judge God's Judgments and Laws as worthy or unworthy of our respect. They have come to believe that they are qualified to judge one law as "Moral", and another as not. Was it "moral" for God to tell Adam and Eve that they could eat off these trees, not NOT EAT off those trees? Is it "moral" for God to esteem one day above another? And who are we to declare any part of God's Word "immoral" and therefore unworthy of our respect, or beneath our honor. Certainly those examples of faithful men given us in the Holy Scriptures, made no such Judgments on God or His Instruction in Righteousness. You are right to ponder and question popular religious philosophy regarding this tradition, in my view.

And concerning your statement "I'm not aware of any person becoming sinless because of what Jesus did either".

I look at the Christ's Redemption a little differently. Doesn't the Holy Scriptures teach that through Christ our sins are taken away?

Ps. 103: 11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. 12 As far as the east is from the west, so far "hath he removed our transgressions from us".

Ez. 18: 21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. 23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

If God removes a Sin, is it not gone? Isn't that the whole point in the first place?

If God promised to "Remove my Sins", like HE did David's, "13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also "hath put away thy sin"; thou shalt not die.", is this not also MY Hope? That because of what Jesus did, I can become sinless?

Remember, it's God's Judgment that counts, in my view anyway.

Gen. 26: 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

"Who God has cleansed, let no man call common".

2 Peter 3: 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

My 2 cents

Keep up the diligence.

Studyman said:

You are right to question this world's religious system, and the doctrines and philosophies promoted therein. Of all the things Jesus could have warned about, Islam, Atheism, Buddhism, satanism, HE didn't mention them in the question posed to Him in Matt. 24 3. He warned them about "Many", who come in His Name, claiming the HE is truly the Christ, that would deceive "many".. Paul warned of the same thing. Men who "transform themselves" as "apostles of Christ."

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I appreciate your expressions. It shows you've spent your time in the Word.

Some interesting observations that maybe you'll profit from:

Satan transforms into an angel of light. Doesn't mean Satan IS an angel of light. What it does mean is that Satan occupies the same seat as mankind. Look at Satan speaking from Peter's lips and being rebuked by Jesus. Think of Satan entering Judas. What we see in these pictures is Satan and devils in mankind. Just as Jesus said is a fact in Mark 4:15. Satan "follows after" where the Word is sown. Just as sure as night follows day.

Satan is the darkness "in mankind." In 2 Cor. 11 Paul sets up the above for his own personal disclosure of the reality of Mark 4:15 for himself, in 2 Cor. 12:7, showing there is a "messenger of Satan" in his own flesh. We shouldn't be startled at the disclosure or try to explain it away. Paul examples this fact in Gal. 4:14 showing again, "temptation" in his own flesh. Not hard to connect "temptation" to the "tempter."

We also know that Paul had evil present with him whenever he did good. Again, not hard to connect "evil" to the "tempter." Romans 7:21

We also know Paul did evil and had sin, Romans 7:17-20

We also know that we all "have sin," Romans 3:9, and sin is "of the devil." 1 John 3:8

We also know that evil thoughts defile us all. Mark 7:21-23

All of this leads to one very logical conclusion. There is a person and there is a tempter or one of his own with all of us. Unpleasant fact, but a fact nevertheless. IF this ever sinks in to anyone's mind, then how they read the scriptures will change dramatically. They'll no longer read of Adam, Eve, David, any prophet, any character in the entire Bible other than Jesus, and see just a person.

Paul again personalizes this in Romans 9 showing that not all of Israel is Israel. Who is NOT Israel that is within Israel? Obviously that would be the spirit of slumber that God put upon them. Romans 11:8. Not hard to connect "how" this happened and still happens in Mark 4:15

In Romans 9 Paul basically says, to the natural ears, God is merciful to some, but not to others, and then berates those who question this setup (the tempter or his own IN MANKIND.)

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

The same lump, "me," a vessel of honor and a vessel of dishonor.

Is this starting to gel yet? Or do you feel the resistance to this fact coming up to declare these things NOT SO?

It's a real phenomena. And not surprising which way the tree falls most of the time. On the denial side.

Studyman said:

I am a nobody, but I would share some things I come to understand since "coming out of" this world's religious system, and welcome you to test the spirit of the belief through the Holy Scriptures.

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I test only one way. Who is honest about the above and who is not. The number of honest folk is pretty slim pertaining to the above.

And once this is established, any notions of justifying the tempter, our adversary, claiming it's sinless or evil is not present with us or that we are legal or sinless are just patent absurdity because these have never been questions of "just the person."

Romans 11:
32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Studyman said:

You are right to question this world's religious system, and the doctrines and philosophies promoted therein. Of all the things Jesus could have warned about, Islam, Atheism, Buddhism, satanism, HE didn't mention them in the question posed to Him in Matt. 24 3. He warned them about "Many", who come in His Name, claiming the HE is truly the Christ, that would deceive "many".. Paul warned of the same thing. Men who "transform themselves" as "apostles of Christ."

I am a nobody, but I would share some things I come to understand since "coming out of" this world's religious system, and welcome you to test the spirit of the belief through the Holy Scriptures.

One thing, it is man's tradition to Judge God's Judgments and Laws as worthy or unworthy of our respect. They have come to believe that they are qualified to judge one law as "Moral", and another as not. Was it "moral" for God to tell Adam and Eve that they could eat off these trees, not NOT EAT off those trees? Is it "moral" for God to esteem one day above another? And who are we to declare any part of God's Word "immoral" and therefore unworthy of our respect, or beneath our honor. Certainly those examples of faithful men given us in the Holy Scriptures, made no such Judgments on God or His Instruction in Righteousness. You are right to ponder and question popular religious philosophy regarding this tradition, in my view.

And concerning your statement "I'm not aware of any person becoming sinless because of what Jesus did either".

I look at the Christ's Redemption a little differently. Doesn't the Holy Scriptures teach that through Christ our sins are taken away?

Ps. 103: 11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. 12 As far as the east is from the west, so far "hath he removed our transgressions from us".

Ez. 18: 21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. 23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

If God removes a Sin, is it not gone? Isn't that the whole point in the first place?

If God promised to "Remove my Sins", like HE did David's, "13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also "hath put away thy sin"; thou shalt not die.", is this not also MY Hope? That because of what Jesus did, I can become sinless?

Remember, it's God's Judgment that counts, in my view anyway.

Gen. 26: 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

"Who God has cleansed, let no man call common".

2 Peter 3: 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

My 2 cents

Keep up the diligence.

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Dear Brother,

I appreciate the depth of your reflection here and the way you’re keeping the conversation anchored in the Word. You’re right, Jesus’ own warning in Matthew 24:4-5 was not about false religions outside His name, but about those who would come in His name and still lead many astray. That’s why we must handle this question about the Law with great care, so we neither add to God’s Word nor subtract from it (Deuteronomy 4:2).

When Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17), He was showing us a divine transition not from righteousness to lawlessness, but from the shadow to the substance. The Law was like a tutor (Galatians 3:24), pointing us to Christ, and once He came, the purpose of the tutor was fulfilled.

Fulfillment does not mean cancellation. It means bringing the Law to its intended goal. For example: the sacrificial system pointed to the Lamb of God (John 1:29). When Christ offered Himself once for all (Hebrews 10:10-14), He didn’t “abolish” sacrifice. He completed it in Himself. The moral heart of the Law God’s standards of holiness still stands, but now it is written on our hearts through the Spirit (Jeremiah 31:33, Romans 8:4).

Regarding sinlessness , you’re right to point us to Psalm 103 and Ezekiel 18. When God forgives, He truly removes sin “as far as the east is from the west.” In Christ, we are positionally made righteous (2 Corinthians 5:21), and through sanctification we are being made more like Him daily (1 Thessalonians 4:3). One day, in the new heavens and new earth (2 Peter 3:13), we will be actually and fully sinless, not because the Law was abolished, but because its righteous requirement will be completely fulfilled in us by Christ.

So the Law ends in the sense that its role as a covenant binding Israel to God is completed in Christ (Romans 10:4), but it is not abolished, because the same holy God who spoke at Sinai is the One who writes His ways on our hearts today. The difference? Before, the Law stood above us, condemning us. Now, by the Spirit, it works within us, empowering us.

Dear Brother,
The hope we hold is this: Jesus didn’t free us from holiness . He freed us to live it.

Blessings to you and Family!

BelieveItOarKnot said:

I appreciate your expressions. It shows you've spent your time in the Word.

Some interesting observations that maybe you'll profit from:

Satan transforms into an angel of light. Doesn't mean Satan IS an angel of light. What it does mean is that Satan occupies the same seat as mankind. Look at Satan speaking from Peter's lips and being rebuked by Jesus. Think of Satan entering Judas. What we see in these pictures is Satan and devils in mankind. Just as Jesus said is a fact in Mark 4:15. Satan "follows after" where the Word is sown. Just as sure as night follows day.

Satan is the darkness "in mankind." In 2 Cor. 11 Paul sets up the above for his own personal disclosure of the reality of Mark 4:15 for himself, in 2 Cor. 12:7, showing there is a "messenger of Satan" in his own flesh. We shouldn't be startled at the disclosure or try to explain it away. Paul examples this fact in Gal. 4:14 showing again, "temptation" in his own flesh. Not hard to connect "temptation" to the "tempter."

We also know that Paul had evil present with him whenever he did good. Again, not hard to connect "evil" to the "tempter." Romans 7:21

We also know Paul did evil and had sin, Romans 7:17-20

We also know that we all "have sin," Romans 3:9, and sin is "of the devil." 1 John 3:8

We also know that evil thoughts defile us all. Mark 7:21-23

All of this leads to one very logical conclusion. There is a person and there is a tempter or one of his own with all of us. Unpleasant fact, but a fact nevertheless. IF this ever sinks in to anyone's mind, then how they read the scriptures will change dramatically. They'll no longer read of Adam, Eve, David, any prophet, any character in the entire Bible other than Jesus, and see just a person.

Paul again personalizes this in Romans 9 showing that not all of Israel is Israel. Who is NOT Israel that is within Israel? Obviously that would be the spirit of slumber that God put upon them. Romans 11:8. Not hard to connect "how" this happened and still happens in Mark 4:15

In Romans 9 Paul basically says, to the natural ears, God is merciful to some, but not to others, and then berates those who question this setup (the tempter or his own IN MANKIND.)

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

The same lump, "me," a vessel of honor and a vessel of dishonor.

Is this starting to gel yet? Or do you feel the resistance to this fact coming up to declare these things NOT SO?

It's a real phenomena. And not surprising which way the tree falls most of the time. On the denial side.

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Dear Brother,

I truly appreciate the depth of your study and the careful weaving together of Scripture to show the reality of the tempter’s presence in mankind. You’re absolutely right, Paul did not shy away from acknowledging that “evil is present” with him whenever he desired to do good (Romans 7:21). This is why he could speak so honestly about the war between the flesh and the Spirit (Galatians 5:17).

But here’s the beauty of the Gospel: Jesus didn’t come just to expose the presence of sin and the tempter. He came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it (Matthew 5:17). How? By doing what the Law itself could never do condemn sin in the flesh through His own sinless life and sacrificial death (Romans 8:3-4).

The Law was perfect, but it could only reveal sin, not remove it (Romans 3:20). In Christ, the righteous requirement of the Law is fulfilled in us who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. That means, while the Law’s moral truth still stands, its condemning power is broken for those in Christ (Romans 6:14).

You touched on something vital when you spoke about the “same lump” being made into vessels of honor and dishonor (Romans 9:21). Under the Law, we were all vessels of dishonor because sin lived in us. Under grace, through Christ’s finished work, He cleanses us, fills us with His Spirit, and empowers us to live in a way the Law demanded but could never enable.

So in a way, Jesus didn’t “abolish” the Law. He satisfied its demands, removed its curse, and wrote its moral truth on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10). That’s why Paul could say, “Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to everyone who believes” (Romans 10:4). Not the end as in destruction, but the end as in completion like crossing the finish line.

And yes, the tempter still follows where the Word is sown (Mark 4:15), but now, instead of being powerless victims of his schemes, we stand in Christ’s victory, equipped with the full armor of God (Ephesians 6:10-18). The Law showed us the battle grace empowers us to win it.

In short: Jesus didn’t throw the Law away. He wore its perfect robe, paid its debt in full, and then clothed us with His own righteousness so we could live free from its condemnation, but not free from its holy standard.

Blessings to you and your family!