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Hovering over your emoji shows the word: "Er...what?" Do you mean that you believe that hell is part of the earth? How can that be? The earth will be destroyed - the bible tells us that. Hell and heaven are eternal.

In the Old Testament, Sheol is the place of the souls of the dead, both the righteous (like Jacob, Genesis 37:35, and Samuel, 1 Samuel 28:13–14) and the wicked (Psalm 31:17). In the New Testament, the Hebrew word Sheol is translated as Hades, and the description of Sheol in the Old and New Testaments bears some resemblance to the Hades of Greek mythology. It is under the earth (Numbers 16:30–33)
 
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Actually, I have watched some of them. I'm willing to hear from both sides and make my own judgments. Can you say the same? If you don't want to watch the whole thing (yet), why not start with the first 30 minutes?

Fair enough, I will.
 
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In the Old Testament, Sheol is the place of the souls of the dead, both the righteous (like Jacob, Genesis 37:35, and Samuel, 1 Samuel 28:13–14) and the wicked (Psalm 31:17). In the New Testament, the Hebrew word Sheol is translated as Hades, and the description of Sheol in the Old and New Testaments bears some resemblance to the Hades of Greek mythology. It is under the earth (Numbers 16:30–33)
Agreed. But as I said, hell is eternal and earth isn't, so hell cannot be part of earth:

““And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”” (Mt 25:46 NKJV)

“The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet [are]. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” (Re 20:10 NKJV)
 
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But you don't watch mine do you ?
I used to watch them, and point out what was wrong about them as they were all nonsense, however you simply ignored any response so I no longer waste my time watching videos you post.
 
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Strong in Him said:
HOW can something be flat and also very deep?
What shape is that? Draw it.

And how do I do that ? :rolleyes:
That's your problem.
You seem to think the shape exists.

I did say some time ago that you could get a pile of newspapers - say, 4cm deep to make it easy for you On the top page, draw a 4cm circle and then cut through the whole pile of papers so that you have a circle which is 4cm wide and 4cm deep.
If the earth was that shape that would be even worse - you could fall off the edge.
 
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I did say some time ago that you could get a pile of newspapers - say, 4cm deep to make it easy for you On the top page, draw a 4cm circle and then cut through the whole pile of papers so that you have a circle which is 4cm wide and 4cm deep.

This reminds me of how they must have made the space capsule that landed on the moon. ^_^

But I'll go one better;

a hole n.jpg
 
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Reposting because you brought this up yet you haven't explained it.
Isaiah 22:18 says, "he will roll YOU up tightly like a ball", so what is the significance of quoting that in relation to the shape of the earth?
The Bible mentions the word "ball" - so?

It cannot be literal anyway: a) God may have punished, or exiled, that man; he did not "roll him up", b) if you roll something you get a sausage shape, not a ball.

Is that really how detailed your Bible study is - "oh look, it mentions this word"?
 
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Yes I have, don't you read the thread :rolleyes:
No, you haven't.
I asked this question on post #1,971; your latest comment was post # 1,991.
Isaiah 22:18 says, "he will roll YOU up tightly like a ball", so what is the significance of quoting that in relation to the shape of the earth?
The Bible mentions the word "ball" - so?

It cannot be literal anyway: a) God may have punished, or exiled, that man; he did not "roll him up", b) if you roll something you get a sausage shape, not a ball.
Where is your answer to this and your response to my observation that this is not literal?

In post # 1,969, you said;
There are two verse's which says Circle and the other says ball.

Isaiah 40:22 & the other say's

Isaiah 22:18

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjVwe7P04KPAxUyWEEAHb5XBa0QFnoECBoQAQ&url=https://biblehub.com/isaiah/22-18.htm&usg=AOvVaw2siyGQ9YI0TWtU3kCl-uri&opi=89978449
The word circle cannot mean ball, therefore when God says he sits on the circle of the earth it must be true.

The word "ball" in this verse has nothing to do with the shape of the earth. God is talking to a MAN and says what he will do to him.
So why post a verse from the Bible that mentions the word "ball" when it has no connection at all to what we are talking about?
 
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The word "ball" in this verse has nothing to do with the shape of the earth. God is talking to a MAN and says what he will do to him.
So why post a verse from the Bible that mentions the word "ball" when it has no connection at all to what we are talking about?

I was just pointing out that word 'circle' in scripture has a different meaning from 'ball', as you guys claim that we should not take verse Isaiah 40:22 literally, which IMO is wrong.
 
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I was just pointing out that word 'circle' in scripture has a different meaning from 'ball', as you guys claim that we should not take verse Isaiah 40:22 literally, which IMO is wrong.
But it is you who are not taking Isaiah 40:22 literally, because you seem to want to change it from:

“It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.” (Isa 40:22 NKJV)

to something like this:

“It is He who sits above the earth, which is a circle, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.”

Incidentally, surely none of us think of God, a spiritual Being, literally sitting anywhere.
 
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I was just pointing out that word 'circle' in scripture has a different meaning from 'ball', as you guys claim that we should not take verse Isaiah 40:22 literally, which IMO is wrong.
What's your reason for pointing out that, in Scripture, "circle" and "ball" are different words? What is that supposed to mean?

Isaiah 40:22 says:
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
If you take Scripture literally you have to take it ALL literally; you can't pick and choose.
a) John 4:24 says "God is Spirit". How does Spirit, or a spirit, sit?
b) How does God sit ON the earth?
c) The verse does not say, "God sits on the earth which is a circle - and I am writing this to tell you the shape of the earth". The word also means "circuit". The circuit of the earth would be it circling the sun - which is how we get our year with all the various seasons.
d) the verse says that the heavens are spread out as a curtain and a tent - which is it? A person can live in a tent, as the verse says, but you can't live in a curtain.
e) if you take this verse literally, you must also take the whole passage literally. Verse 24 says that the kings of the earth shall not be planted. Presumably in the ground since the verse also talks about them not taking root in the earth. How many people have ever been literally planted in the earth and started to grow because they have put down literal roots?
f) If you take ALL of Scripture literally, you have to take Isaiah 22:18 literally. This verse says that the Lord was going to roll a man up like a ball. Like I said, if you roll something up it becomes a sausage shape, not a ball - try it. To get something that looks vaguely ball shaped you'd have to crumple up your piece of paper, or whatever, and compress it so that it becomes solid. Is that what the Lord did with that man - literally crush him so that he physically looked like a ball - blood and bones everywhere? If not, why not?

Sorry, but you really need to learn how to read Scripture.
Plucking one verse out of the Bible and saying "that mentions 'earth' and circle/circuit' therefore the Bible is teaching us the shape of the earth", is ridiculous. If you were in a debate with a non Christian scientist they would disprove that in no time. They would probably then also say that if the Bible says that the earth is a flat circle, then we can prove the Bible to be wrong, so there is no reason to trust it, or God. And no reason to become a Christian and sign up to an erroneous faith.
 
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What's your reason for pointing out that, in Scripture, "circle" and "ball" are different words? What is that supposed to mean?

Isaiah 40:22 says:

If you take Scripture literally you have to take it ALL literally; you can't pick and choose.
a) John 4:24 says "God is Spirit". How does Spirit, or a spirit, sit?
b) How does God sit ON the earth?
c) The verse does not say, "God sits on the earth which is a circle - and I am writing this to tell you the shape of the earth". The word also means "circuit". The circuit of the earth would be it circling the sun - which is how we get our year with all the various seasons.
d) the verse says that the heavens are spread out as a curtain and a tent - which is it? A person can live in a tent, as the verse says, but you can't live in a curtain.
e) if you take this verse literally, you must also take the whole passage literally. Verse 24 says that the kings of the earth shall not be planted. Presumably in the ground since the verse also talks about them not taking root in the earth. How many people have ever been literally planted in the earth and started to grow because they have put down literal roots?
f) If you take ALL of Scripture literally, you have to take Isaiah 22:18 literally. This verse says that the Lord was going to roll a man up like a ball. Like I said, if you roll something up it becomes a sausage shape, not a ball - try it. To get something that looks vaguely ball shaped you'd have to crumple up your piece of paper, or whatever, and compress it so that it becomes solid. Is that what the Lord did with that man - literally crush him so that he physically looked like a ball - blood and bones everywhere? If not, why not?

Sorry, but you really need to learn how to read Scripture.
Plucking one verse out of the Bible and saying "that mentions 'earth' and circle/circuit' therefore the Bible is teaching us the shape of the earth", is ridiculous. If you were in a debate with a non Christian scientist they would disprove that in no time. They would probably then also say that if the Bible says that the earth is a flat circle, then we can prove the Bible to be wrong, so there is no reason to trust it, or God. And no reason to become a Christian and sign up to an erroneous faith.

Anyway what's all this got to do with the moon landings ?
 
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Anyway what's all this got to do with the moon landings ?
Nothing but you brought it up.
And having done so, it would be good if you could answer the question.

I suspect you can't, of course, which is why you wrote, "anyway, what's this got to do with moon landings?"

What has any of it got to do with the Christian faith, salvation or our relationship with God?
Nothing. Zilch. Nada.
We are not deceived if we believe the eyewitness testimonies of fellow Christians; we are not further from God, we will not be condemned for believing the world is a certain shape. You're arguing for nothing - it's pointless.
 
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Anyway what's all this got to do with the moon landings ?
Strong in Him has already said to you that it is connected, because of the photos of the earth taken on moon landings, and the testimony of Christian astronauts, indicating a spherical earth.
 
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@Apple Sky , please watch the following film on the reality of the Apollo missions. It directly addresses several of the alleged debunking points you have brought up. And please note that he produces actual hard evidence with math, physics, orbital mechanics, etc.


Can you say the same? If you don't want to watch the whole thing (yet), why not start with the first 30 minutes?

Just to let you know I'm about a halfway through watching your video & will get back to you when I've finished watching it.

I haven't forgotten.
 
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