WHY DID TONGUES STOP ?

Dan Perez · Sunday at 5:48 PM

Speaking in. Tongues was and every day thing. it seem. when I was , about 12 years old !!

And I notice that there are some that joined us saying that tongues should be spoken today !!

And I say that they were taken away , and also Prophecies. !!

dan p

Gregory Thompson · Sunday at 5:52 PM

Bible says pray to translate, maybe it got integrated into your usual speech.

and you didn't notice.

Dan Perez · Sunday at 7:33 PM

Gregory Thompson said:
Bible says pray to translate, maybe it got integrated into your usual speech.

and you didn't notice.

And what is your context and your verse ?\\\

And do you say that tongues and prophecies should be encouraged and are for today ??

And when. was the last time you saw one speaking in tongues and prophecy and the last time I saw one was when. I

was 12 ears old !!
dan p

Gregory Thompson · Sunday at 8:20 PM

Dan Perez said:
And what is your context and your verse ?\\\

And do you say that tongues and prophecies should be encouraged and are for today ??
dan p

We receive the same Holy Spirit that gives gifts in the bible. So yeah, the same gifts are given today.

The context is:
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. (1 Corinthians 14:13)

Dan Perez · Sunday at 9:07 PM

Gregory Thompson said:
We receive the same Holy Spirit that gives gifts in the bible. So yeah, the same gifts are given today.

The context is:
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. (1 Corinthians 14:13)

And you are saying that you also have spoken in. tongues and are a. prophet. ??

dan p

Hoping2 · Sunday at 9:35 PM

Dan Perez said:
Speaking in. Tongues was and every day thing. it seem. when I was , about 12 years old !!

And I notice that there are some that joined us saying that tongues should be spoken today !!

And I say that they were taken away , and also Prophecies. !!

dan p

What do you base your opinion on ?
Paul says to pray for those spiritual gifts.

Gregory Thompson · Sunday at 10:03 PM

Dan Perez said:
And you are saying that you also have spoken in. tongues and are a. prophet. ??

dan p

I have spoken in tongues, I have prayed to translate.

I am not a prophet.

ozso · Sunday at 10:34 PM

Dan Perez said:
And what is your context and your verse ?\\\

And do you say that tongues and prophecies should be encouraged and are for today ??

And when. was the last time you saw one speaking in tongues and prophecy and the last time I saw one was when. I

was 12 ears old !!
dan p

Was that the last time you were in a Pentecostal / Charismatic church?

tturt · Monday at 2:01 AM

There's a "diversities of tongues" II Cor 12:28). Purposes for speaking in tongues includes:
-Personal prayer language - Speaking to/with God (I Cor 14:4)
-Intercessory prayer language - Praying for others in the Spirit (Rom 8:26-27).
-Warfare language - Tongues directly aimed at demonic strongholds (Eph 6:18-19)
-Prophetic language - Addressing the whole church/preferably with interpretation - (I Cor 12:10; 14:5, 26)
-Singing in the Spirit - Singing in tongues/worship activity (I Cor 14:14-15)
-Praise language - Magnifying the Lord in worship tongues (Acts 2:4-11, 10)
(Saint Steven, a CF poster, gave permission to use his basic list).

It does build us up, (Jude 20-21)

David Lamb · Monday at 2:43 AM

tturt said:
There's a "diversities of tongues" II Cor 12:28). Purposes for speaking in tongues includes:
-Personal prayer language - Speaking to/with God (I Cor 14:4)
-Intercessory prayer language - Praying for others in the Spirit (Rom 8:26-27).
-Warfare language - Tongues directly aimed at demonic strongholds (Eph 6:18-19)
-Prophetic language - Addressing the whole church/preferably with interpretation - (I Cor 12:10; 14:5, 26)
-Singing in the Spirit - Singing in tongues/worship activity (I Cor 14:14-15)
-Praise language - Magnifying the Lord in worship tongues ( Acts 10)
(Saint Steven, a CF poster, gave permission to use his basic list).
It does build us up, (Jude 20-21)

When tongues were first given at Pentecost, it seems the "tongues" were other (human) languages:

“5 ¶ And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans?” (Ac 2:5-7 NKJV)

Kathleen30 · Monday at 4:42 AM

David Lamb said:
When tongues were first given at Pentecost, it seems the "tongues" were other (human) languages:

“5 ¶ And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans?” (Ac 2:5-7 NKJV)

David. Yes In Acts they were all known languages that the apostles miraculously spoke. Some do claim a secret prayer language. Some point to the lords crucifixion in Mark 15: 34 when Jesus says Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani as a secret prayer language. But again it was a known language that the Jesus spoke being spoken in Aramaic. As to angelic language. Seems that the angels have always spoken to humanity in our own known languages and we not speak in their language to them. At least in the bible accounts of our dealing's with them

Maria Billingsley · Monday at 7:03 AM

Dan Perez said:
Speaking in. Tongues was and every day thing. it seem. when I was , about 12 years old !!

And I notice that there are some that joined us saying that tongues should be spoken today !!

And I say that they were taken away , and also Prophecies. !!

dan p

Tongues did not cease, it was somewhat hijacked. Let me explain. What was once a gift from His Holy Spirit it unfortunately became mandatory as a Christian identifier. This led to a disastrous situation, the impersonation of His Holy Spirit by pressure. Though I have no doubt there are true believers spreading His Gospel in languages they do not know, it is far and few between to find them today.
As far as a personal " prayer language", ( aka tongues) , if one wishes to pray without their understanding, it is between them and the Father. Corporate " prayer language " displays have no place in a public setting unless one has the gift to interpret. A whole congregation speaking at once is a stumbling block. It unfortunately introduces pressure, discomfort and a spirit of competitiveness. This does not serve to edify the Body of Christ.

Yes, I do have strong opinions on this gift because, as a tongue speaker myself, I have unfortunately seen it massively abused. This saddens me.

Blessings

Dan Perez · Monday at 1:40 PM

Hoping2 said:
What do you base your opinion on ?
Paul says to pray for those spiritual gifts.

Because the bible says it wIll PASS AWAY and here is the verse IN 1 Cor 13:8. !!

# 1 LOVE // AGAGE. ,is. in the Nominative Case , in. the Singular. .

# 2 NEVER //. OVDEPOTE , is an. Adverb

# 3. FAILETH //. EKPIPTO. , is. in the Greek. PRESENT TENSE , in the. ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , IN THE Singular

# 4 BUT //. DE , is. an Conjuncation

# 5. WHETHER //. EITE , is. a Conjuncation

# 6. PROPHECIES. // PROPHETEIA. , is in. the Nominative Case , in the Plural

# 7 THEY SHALL FAIL // KATARAEO in the Future Tense , in. the Passive Voice , means that Christ will shut it down

# 8 WHETHER. // EITE. , is a Conjucation

#. 9 TONGUES //. GLOSSA. , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the Plural

# 10. THEY SHALL CEASE // PAUO. , in the FUTUE TENSE. , in the Middle Voice , in the Indicative Mood , which

means you BETTER BELIEVE IT , in the Plural

# 11. WHETHER. // EITE. , is a Conjuncation

# 12 KNOWLED. // GNUSIS. , in. the Nominative Case , in the Singular

#. 13 IT WILL VANISH AWAY //. KATARGEO. , is in the FUTURE TENSE , in the Passive Voice ,

in the Indicative Mood , means you better believe IT ,

And anyone says the have seen anyone speak in tongues. , what will you believe ??

And Paul wrote also verse 9. , 10 , 11 says you are an INFANT since these things have PASSED AWAY. !!

And remember that this. ASSEMBLY is is fairly new and in 1 Cor 3 :2 I gave you MILK. and not SOLID FOOD. , Why ??

dan p

Hoping2 · Monday at 2:25 PM

Dan Perez said:
Because the bible says it wIll PASS AWAY and here is the verse IN 1 Cor 13:8. !!

# 1 LOVE // AGAGE. ,is. in the Nominative Case , in. the Singular. .

# 2 NEVER //. OVDEPOTE , is an. Adverb

# 3. FAILETH //. EKPIPTO. , is. in the Greek. PRESENT TENSE , in the. ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , IN THE Singular

# 4 BUT //. DE , is. an Conjuncation

# 5. WHETHER //. EITE , is. a Conjuncation

# 6. PROPHECIES. // PROPHETEIA. , is in. the Nominative Case , in the Plural

# 7 THEY SHALL FAIL // KATARAEO in the Future Tense , in. the Passive Voice , means that Christ will shut it down

# 8 WHETHER. // EITE. , is a Conjucation

#. 9 TONGUES //. GLOSSA. , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the Plural

# 10. THEY SHALL CEASE // PAUO. , in the FUTUE TENSE. , in the Middle Voice , in the Indicative Mood , which

means you BETTER BELIEVE IT , in the Plural

# 11. WHETHER. // EITE. , is a Conjuncation

# 12 KNOWLED. // GNUSIS. , in. the Nominative Case , in the Singular

#. 13 IT WILL VANISH AWAY //. KATARGEO. , is in the FUTURE TENSE , in the Passive Voice ,

in the Indicative Mood , means you better believe IT ,

And anyone says the have seen anyone speak in tongues. , what will you believe ??

And Paul wrote also verse 9. , 10 , 11 says you are an INFANT since these things have PASSED AWAY. !!

And remember that this. ASSEMBLY is is fairly new and in 1 Cor 3 :2 I gave you MILK. and not SOLID FOOD. , Why ??

dan p

The gifts will pass away, at the return of Jesus with His flaming angels.
Then there will no longer be a need to speak in tongues of angels or the tongues of men.
Then we will no longer need to heal or cast devils out.

Dan Perez · Monday at 4:21 PM

Hoping2 said:
The gifts will pass away, at the return of Jesus with His flaming angels.
Then there will no longer be a need to speak in tongues of angels or the tongues of men.
Then we will no longer need to heal or cast devils out.

And here is. the verse when Tongues. and many other GIFTS will return is in Mark. 16:16. - 18 , like casting out demons

take up serpents. , and drink any deadly thinks. , and heal the sick. and the BAPTISM of. the Holy Spirit as the Greek word

for water / hydro is not in the Greek Text. and I say that this happens during the GREAT TRIBULATION after the departure

of the Body of Christ , as. written in. 2. Thess 2:3 and verses 4-8 ,

dan p

Richard T · Monday at 7:26 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
Tongues did not cease, it was somewhat hijacked. Let me explain. What was once a gift from His Holy Spirit it unfortunately became mandatory as a Christian identifier. This led to a disastrous situation, the impersonation of His Holy Spirit by pressure. Though I have no doubt there are true believers spreading His Gospel in languages they do not know, it is far and few between to find them today.
As far as a personal " prayer language", ( aka tongues) , if one wishes to pray without their understanding, it is between them and the Father. Corporate " prayer language " displays have no place in a public setting unless one has the gift to interpret. A whole congregation speaking at once is a stumbling block. It unfortunately introduces pressure, discomfort and a spirit of competitiveness. This does not serve to edify the Body of Christ.

Yes, I do have strong opinions on this gift because, as a tongue speaker myself, I have unfortunately seen it massively abused. This saddens me.

Blessings

I can see how you can get to the point of not having church meetings where everyone is speaking in tongues at once. But if the purpose is prayer or praise then what I have seen is that such meetings are quite effective. Most earlier charismatic churches practiced this and saw lots of fruit from it.
If you doubt this find a church where they nearly all sing in the spirit in tongues at once. The Holy Spirit can really move during those times with a tangible presence and awe of God. No one expects interpretation, because a tongue for interpretation is as the Holy Spirit wills, not man. Those tongues are corporate and are part of the gift of divers kinds of tongues.
The personal tongues or evidence of the baptism though can be exercised on demand. I don't think that Paul's teaching was particularly comprehensive. Take the word of knowledge versus the word of wisdom, can we be sure that one is past or present tense and the other is future as some suggest? Or that discernment of spirits is at least in part the seeing of angels?
Also, even in the Upper Room can we be sure it was only just foreign languages? Drunkenness by some seems to imply languages too that some could not understand.

Maria Billingsley · Monday at 7:32 PM

Richard T said:
I don't think that Paul's teaching was particularly comprehensive.

Adding to what Paul already established is never a good idea.
Thanks for engaging.

Richard T · Monday at 8:04 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
Adding to what Paul already established is never a good idea.
Thanks for engaging.

Did Paul fully establish a complete roadmap for any of the gifts? I don't think so. Why? he could not possible know all the differences and interactions. First because they flow together like the colors of a rainbow. You sometimes can't tell when prophecy dips into a word of knowledge because they both flow together. Even closer, faith and miracles working together to bring someone to restoration. We can't even be sure of the difference between all healings and miracles. Secondly, Paul tells us in I Cor 12:5-7 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal"

The nuances are not really so important after all, the manifestation of whatever comes from the gifts is to profit. We can try to make neat categorizations, but with different administrations, diversity of operations, and diversity of gifts, I would suggest the permutations and combinations are much higher than most expect.

When Smith Wigglesworth would hit someone in the stomach and they were healed. Was that a specific administration? Are we even sure it was a healing or was it a deliverance? Considering Smith Wigglesworth's Fierce Healing Methodology

Others have tried and been sued for harming the one seeking healing, but Wigglesworth's most unusual operation did meet the standard of "profit withal." So am I adding or are others subtracting? Could someone heal with spit besides Jesus? Yes, there are modern claims of that too. But again, none of this matters as long as it profits withal.

Maria Billingsley · Monday at 8:18 PM

Richard T said:
Did Paul fully establish a complete roadmap for any of the gifts? I don't think so. Why? he could not possible know all the differences and interactions. First because they flow together like the colors of a rainbow. You sometimes can't tell when prophecy dips into a word of knowledge because they both flow together. Even closer, faith and miracles working together to bring someone to restoration. We can't even be sure of the difference between all healings and miracles. Secondly, Paul tells us in I Cor 12:5-7 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal"

The nuances are not really so important after all, the manifestation of whatever comes from the gifts is to profit. We can try to make neat categorizations, but with different administrations, diversity of operations, and diversity of gifts, I would suggest the permutations and combinations are much higher than most expect.

When Smith Wigglesworth would hit someone in the stomach and they were healed. Was that a specific administration? Are we even sure it was a healing or was it a deliverance? Considering Smith Wigglesworth's Fierce Healing Methodology

Others have tried and been sued for harming the one seeking healing, but Wigglesworth's most unusual operation did meet the standard of "profit withal." So am I adding or are others subtracting? Could someone heal with spit besides Jesus? Yes, there are modern claims of that too. But again, none of this matters as long as it profits withal.

I understand your position . I have a different understanding when it comes to the gifts from His Holy Spirit.

Hoping2 · Monday at 9:30 PM

Dan Perez said:
And here is. the verse when Tongues. and many other GIFTS will return is in Mark. 16:16. - 18 , like casting out demons

take up serpents. , and drink any deadly thinks. , and heal the sick. and the BAPTISM of. the Holy Spirit as the Greek word

for water / hydro is not in the Greek Text. and I say that this happens during the GREAT TRIBULATION after the departure

of the Body of Christ , as. written in. 2. Thess 2:3 and verses 4-8 ,

dan p

I am glad I believe the gifts of the Holy Ghost are still in effect today.
I am glad to have been given some of those gifts.

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