THE QUESTION IS HOW IS ISRAEL SAVED ??

Jeff Saunders · Jun 11, 2025

Dan Perez said:
And John 14:6 will NOT answer your question and read Gen 3:21 and am quoting the important question !

# 1 In Gen 3:21 DID / ASA is a verb in the QAL , in the IMPERFECT TENSE , in the Singular

# 2 THE LORD / YHOUO

# 3 GOD ELOHIM , is a Plural , Absolute

# 4 MAKE / ASA , in the Plural

# 5 COATS / KUTONET , in the Plural

# 6 OF SKINS / OR , in the Singular in the ABOLUTE

# 7 AND CLOTHE THEM / LABAS is a verb in the HIPHIL , in the Imperfect Tense , in the Singular

And BLOOD was spilt and the SKINS COVERED THEM !

This what is called ATONEMENT and though the LAW .

dan p

So if all we need for atonement is for God to kill and animal and for us to wear the skin, why did Jesus die on the cross?

Dan Perez · Jun 13, 2025

Jeff Saunders said:
So if all we need for atonement is for God to kill and animal and for us to wear the skin, why did Jesus die on the cross?

And you have sense of humor and read Lev 17:11 !

dan p

Jeff Saunders · Jun 13, 2025

Dan Perez said:
And you have sense of humor and read Lev 17:11 !

dan p

Heb 10:4 says" its impossible for the the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins"
So which is it, if the blood of animals can be an atonement for sin, why did Jesus have to die on the cross?
why did Jesus say in John 14:6 " I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me"
If you look up the Hebrew word used for atonement its kaphar, which has its first meaning as to cover. So all it did was cover over their sin it did not make them reconciled to God, that's what Jesus did on the cross, 2 Cor 5:19 In Christ God was reconciling the cosmos to himself.

Dan Perez · Jul 11, 2025

Jeff Saunders said:
Heb 10:4 says" its impossible for the the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins"
So which is it, if the blood of animals can be an atonement for sin, why did Jesus have to die on the cross?
why did Jesus say in John 14:6 " I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me"
If you look up the Hebrew word used for atonement its kaphar, which has its first meaning as to cover. So all it did was cover over their sin it did not make them reconciled to God, that's what Jesus did on the cross, 2 Cor 5:19 In Christ God was reconciling the cosmos to himself.

And I do believe Heb 10:4 and THAT is why the Old Covenant had to be set aside and Eze Chapters 36 and. 37 and 38

explain how Israel will rise again and be Born Again !!

dan p

PatrickTate · Jul 26, 2025

Clare73 said:
That question is answered in Ro 11:16-23.

Yes, Romans 11 and even chapters nine and ten are profoundly encouraging messages. The Holy Spirit is being poured out on all flesh and soon everybody will know Jesus from the least to the greatest.

Clare73 · Jul 26, 2025

PatrickTate said:
Yes, Romans 11 and even chapters nine and ten are profoundly encouraging messages. The Holy Spirit is being poured out on all flesh and soon everybody will know Jesus from the least to the greatest.

Not according to Jesus (Jn 3:18).

PatrickTate · Jul 26, 2025

Clare73 said:
Not according to Jesus (Jn 3:18).

My belief is that the world of two or three centuries from now will be vastly different than is the case at this time where the majority of us are deceived. I do believe that the gospel being preached in all nations sets the stage for a massive shift. Soon Satan will be bound and unable to deceive the nations for a thousand years.

Dan Perez · Jul 26, 2025

PatrickTate said:
My belief is that the world of two or three centuries from now will be vastly different than is the case at this time where the majority of us are deceived. I do believe that the gospel being preached in all nations sets the stage for a massive shift. Soon Satan will be bound and unable to deceive the nations for a thousand years.

And it would help if you would give verses for your OP. ?
dap

PatrickTate · Jul 26, 2025

Dan Perez said:
And it would help if you would give verses for your OP. ?
dap

Here is the verses in Isaiah that were amazingly well explained by near death experiencer and former Atheist Howard Storm in his book "My Descent Into Death."
In Daniel 12 it says that in the Latter days many will run to and fro and knowledge will be increased. In Jeremiah 23:20 it says that in the latter days we will consider the wrath of God perfectly.

I believe that the words of the prophets are finally being explained with a clarity that was impossible fifty years ago.

Isaiah 11

A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;
from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2 The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him—
the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of might,
the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the Lord—
3 and he will delight in the fear of the Lord.

He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,
or decide by what he hears with his ears;
4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy,
with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.
He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;
with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.
5 Righteousness will be his belt
and faithfulness the sash around his waist.
6 The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling[a] together;
and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
9 They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord
as the waters cover the sea.
10 In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his resting place will be glorious. 11 In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the surviving remnant of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush,[b]from Elam, from Babylonia,[c] from Hamath and from the islands of the Mediterranean.

Dan Perez · Jul 31, 2025

PatrickTate said:
Yes, Romans 11 and even chapters nine and ten are profoundly encouraging messages. The Holy Spirit is being poured out on all flesh and soon everybody will know Jesus from the least to the greatest.

And does Joel 2:28 , poured all flesh mean Israel. ? as we have been. given the SPIRIT in 1 Cor 12:13 !!

dan p

PatrickTate · Jul 31, 2025

Dan Perez said:
And does Joel 2:28 , poured all flesh mean Israel. ? as we have been. given the SPIRIT in 1 Cor 12:13 !!

dan p

Yes but also all Gentiles will have the option to be grafted into "Israel" through Messiah Yeshua - Jesus who I believe will soon be accepted by a high percentage of Jews as "Moshiach ben David - Messiah the Passover Lamb."

Dan Perez · Aug 1, 2025

PatrickTate said:
Yes, Romans 11 and even chapters nine and ten are profoundly encouraging messages. The Holy Spirit is being poured out on all flesh and soon everybody will know Jesus from the least to the greatest.

And what does Rom 11:8 with your thoughts. ?

Is it speaking to Israel ?

Or is speaking to the Body of Christ ?

Or is it speaking to the Gentiles ?

Or speaking to the GREEKS

Or may the Scyhian

dan p

PatrickTate · Aug 1, 2025

Dan Perez said:
And what does Rom 11:8 with your thoughts. ?

Is it speaking to Israel ?

Or is speaking to the Body of Christ ?

Or is it speaking to the Gentiles ?

Or speaking to the GREEKS

Or may the Scyhian

dan p

I believe that there are periods of time in which Jesus will take that stupor off of the majority of us and when that happens huge numbers of people will repent. A time is coming when the dragon will be bound for one thousand years and will not be able to deceive the majority of humans as has been the case in the past and even until now.

Dan Perez · Aug 2, 2025

PatrickTate said:
Yes, Romans 11 and even chapters nine and ten are profoundly encouraging messages. The Holy Spirit is being poured out on all flesh and soon everybody will know Jesus from the least to the greatest.

And best to check what you wrote above in. Joel 2:28 happened in. Acts 2:14-38 , and it is all about Israel , Acts 2:36

and NOT about the Body of Christ , PERIOD !!

dan p

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