It doesn't matter your guy's arguing over different words, because it is as I told you earlier, some were just never meant to go beyond this, and while they might go to sleep, or be stored for a while, or for very, very long periods of time, their original programs are reset and then brought back up again (or reinserted) in other places that are still fallen, and are still in need of those kinds of programs, and everything is eternal (as far as we can know right now anyway, etc). So it is eternal torment basically, even though they are never aware of it each time they are doing it each time, etc. But it is not like that for the rest of us who were always meant to get to go beyond this here after this, or who were always meant to get to go beyond these kinds of (fallen) existences or realities here ever, but those are also eternal, etc, but it's just that new ones are added all of the time, etc, but that's not true for all of them and/or everybody (each and every single time, or all of the time, etc) (And so it depends on your own perspective on how you view the rest of them really, etc).
God Bless.