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Oklahoma’s MAGA superintendent who demanded Bibles in class faces investigation after TV in his office shows naked women

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I want to see the pictures. During WWII pin-up girls were quite modest by today's standards and if they were actually WWII pinups I would be very much surprised if there was any actual nudity.
1945 and 1960 are only 15 years apart.
 
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So what? What is the significance of 1960?
The person making the accusation said what she saw looked like something from the 60s. In other words whatever she saw looked old fashioned to her. Maybe it was even in black & white.
 
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My post was in response to the person I was replying to. I said no crime had been committed by Walters regarding the sheriff dept. investigation. He challenged that. So I responded to that challenge. Since the sheriff department is investigating, that means there is a suspected crime. So crime does fit into this.

I have been wondering what on earth the SO was investigating. No one had said. What crime are they looking into? Apparently the press isnt interested I'm asking. It seems to me that its poor journalism. I read through some things and couldn't find anything in regard to what crime hes being investigated for. Maybe I missed it.
 
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I have been wondering what on earth the SO was investigating. No one had said. What crime are they looking into? Apparently the press isnt interested I'm asking. It seems to me that its poor journalism. I read through some things and couldn't find anything in regard to what crime hes being investigated for. Maybe I missed it.
The sheriff explains it pretty toughly in the video contained in the news article I posted.

 
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The sheriff explains it pretty toughly in the video contained in the news article I posted.

The whole episode is getting more hilarious by the minute, but I have to say that Sheriff Johnson handled the interview like a pro.
 
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If he ain't, I am, even if it does. There is a time and place for nudity.

This does not mean, however, that I would be "fine" if, as someone suggested, he were to come over to my house and wave his "junk" in my face. Nor do I find it appropriate for the workplace - most workplaces, anyhoo, as there are obviously acceptions.
Let's set aside the biblical perspective for a moment and focus on workplace ethics.

In my 30 years in IT and Cyber Security, I have seen hundreds of employees fired for viewing or storing pornographic material on company computers. An employee was dismissed for using company email to send inappropriate messages of a sexual nature to his girlfriend.

These issues occur in most offices today, and you've likely seen or heard something similar at your workplace. Human resource policies regarding sexual harassment have become significantly stricter over the past several decades.

The only instances I have observed these policies being relaxed are when political positions are involved or when the individual is a Fortune 500 company CEO.

If this had occurred in any other US office, all involved employees would be suspended pending investigation, and at least one would likely be dismissed.

Two weeks ago, a Silicon Valley CEO was dismissed after being seen on the "Kiss Cam" with the company's HR head at a concert. If a similar incident occurred involving an elected official from either the Democratic or Republican party, public discussion would likely focus on the reactions from opposing parties rather than the individuals involved.
 
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The sheriff explains it pretty toughly in the video contained in the news article I posted.

Well he doesn't say what they are investigating. He says they are investigating to see IF a crime was committed. No one has given us ANY indication of what crime or crimes are being investigated or what kind of crimes might be discovered.

I still want to know what crime is being investigated. What did he allegedly do that is possibly criminal?
 
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Let's set aside the biblical perspective for a moment and focus on workplace ethics.

In my 30 years in IT and Cyber Security, I have seen hundreds of employees fired for viewing or storing pornographic material on company computers. An employee was dismissed for using company email to send inappropriate messages of a sexual nature to his girlfriend.

These issues occur in most offices today, and you've likely seen or heard something similar at your workplace. Human resource policies regarding sexual harassment have become significantly stricter over the past several decades.

The only instances I have observed these policies being relaxed are when political positions are involved or when the individual is a Fortune 500 company CEO.

If this had occurred in any other US office, all involved employees would be suspended pending investigation, and at least one would likely be dismissed.

Two weeks ago, a Silicon Valley CEO was dismissed after being seen on the "Kiss Cam" with the company's HR head at a concert. If a similar incident occurred involving an elected official from either the Democratic or Republican party, public discussion would likely focus on the reactions from opposing parties rather than the individuals involved.

My question us why is the SO involved? Certainly IT and internal investigators can look into this and decide if a policy has been violated and who violated it. Human Resources can get involved to determine proper disciplinary actions if someone is found to have violated policy.

But what in earth is the SO doing investigating this? They they are LE not policy investigators. What crime was possibly committed? No one is answering that. Whats the alleged offense?
 
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Well he doesn't say what they are investigating. He says they are investigating to see IF a crime was committed. No one has given us ANY indication of what crime or crimes are being investigated or what kind of crimes might be discovered.

I still want to know what crime is being investigated. What did he allegedly do that is possibly criminal?
Probably something like storing or displaying porn/"obscenity" in an educational setting, which in their wisdom the state legislature may have included ed admin offices.

Are we entitled to know unless/until a charge is filed? I dont see that we are.
 
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Probably something like storing or displaying porn/"obscenity" in an educational setting, which in their wisdom the state legislature may have included ed admin offices.

Are we entitled to know unless/until a charge is filed? I dont see that we are.

Well you'd think someone could say. "We are looking into it to see IF a crime was committed" sounds like a witch hunt.

Why isnt someone, like any journalist, looking into it to see what possible crime it might be. Its not that hard. If there are crimes on the books that say it's a criminal offense to have nudity on a device in a school, then say that.

Im telling you, something us wrong here. I'm beginning to wonder if people aren't saying because they think its more damning to the man simply to say "hes under criminal investigation". Cause if they actually had to say what he's under investigation for people would realize he actually didn't do anything criminal.
 
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My question us why is the SO involved? Certainly IT and internal investigators can look into this and decide if a policy has been violated and who violated it. Human Resources can get involved to determine proper disciplinary actions if someone is found to have violated policy.

But what in earth is the SO doing investigating this? They they are LE not policy investigators. What crime was possibly committed? No one is answering that. Whats the alleged offense?

I guess you would need to ask someone from Oklahoma....(one would think the agency's HR office could handle this...]
 
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Well you'd think someone could say. "We are looking into it to see IF a crime was committed" sounds like a witch hunt.

Why isnt someone, like any journalist, looking into it to see what possible crime it might be. Its not that hard. If there are crimes on the books that say it's a criminal offense to have nudity on a device in a school, then say that.

Im telling you, something us wrong here. I'm beginning to wonder if people aren't saying because they think its more damning to the man simply to say "hes under criminal investigation". Cause if they actually had to say what he's under investigation for people would realize he actually didn't do anything criminal.
So maybe the Oklahoma County Sherrifs dept is just persecuting this guy?
 
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My question us why is the SO involved? Certainly IT and internal investigators can look into this and decide if a policy has been violated and who violated it. Human Resources can get involved to determine proper disciplinary actions if someone is found to have violated policy.

But what in earth is the SO doing investigating this? They they are LE not policy investigators. What crime was possibly committed? No one is answering that. Whats the alleged offense?
I'm not familiar with the acronym "SO". what is it?

In organizations in the USA, this is considered an ethical matter and may lead to termination of employment, but it is not classified as a criminal offense.

As mentioned previously, except for positions such as political appointments or Fortune 500 vice president roles, most employees in similar situations would typically be suspended pending an immediate investigation. If it is proven that these images were intentionally displayed on a company device, the employee will be either terminated or at minimum reprimanded.
 
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I guess you would need to ask someone from Oklahoma....(one would think the agency's HR office could handle this...]
If attendees of the meeting reported the incident as sexual harassment, it could result in a criminal investigation.

Current sexual harassment policies are strict. For example, if an employee displays a provocative picture, such as a celebrity dressed suggestively, in the employee breakroom, it may be considered sexual harassment, even if the image is not nude.
 
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Well you'd think someone could say. "We are looking into it to see IF a crime was committed" sounds like a witch hunt.

Why isnt someone, like any journalist, looking into it to see what possible crime it might be. Its not that hard. If there are crimes on the books that say it's a criminal offense to have nudity on a device in a school, then say that.

Im telling you, something us wrong here. I'm beginning to wonder if people aren't saying because they think its more damning to the man simply to say "hes under criminal investigation". Cause if they actually had to say what he's under investigation for people would realize he actually didn't do anything criminal.

I think we all know that certain individuals would prefer to see Walters and his Church of Christ oriented valuation of the Bible go to the wayside where public education is concerned in Oklahoma. His possible moral missteps might be his own undoing. But we'll see how this case progresses over the next few weeks.

While I wouldn't mind seeing some emphasis upon the Bible in public classrooms, I don't go in for a politically ultra-right leaning mode by which to do that, let alone create classroom scenarios where students have no choice but to be indoctrinated with religious views they and their families may not agree with.

At the same time, I don't want to see the opposite of what Walter's is promoting ideologically installed instead, without caveats, in public classrooms either. I don't think students benefit from a curriculum that is dependent upon hyper-polarized political agendas from either the Right or the Left. Skills in Critical Thinking and Social Civility are what students need most, not uncertain biblical interpretations OR .......... critical theory.
 
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Well he doesn't say what they are investigating. He says they are investigating to see IF a crime was committed. No one has given us ANY indication of what crime or crimes are being investigated or what kind of crimes might be discovered.

I still want to know what crime is being investigated. What did he allegedly do that is possibly criminal?
I don't think Walters is the one being investigated. I think what's being investigated is what was done and by whom that caused those images to appear on that TV.
 
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