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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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This is demonstrably false. All the time people come to Christ when they hear the gospel.
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So why ask me for explanations ? That doesnt make sense, for you will just get more of the same
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No its not, its the Truth and if you reject it, you reject the doctrines/teachings of Christ.
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Yes it is, and if its not, you teach the accursed gospel of salvation by works.
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Imagine believing repentance and surrender to Christ's Love are works to be admonished.
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Yeah its a work, its an action of the mind and heart, just like looking upon a woman and lusting is a work of the flesh
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Trent:
If anyone says that without the predisposing inspiration of the Holy Ghost[111] and without His help, man can believe, hope, love or be repentant as he ought,[112] so that the grace of justification may be bestowed upon him, let him be anathema.
If anyone says that without the predisposing inspiration of the Holy Ghost[111] and without His help, man can believe, hope, love or be repentant as he ought,[112] so that the grace of justification may be bestowed upon him, let him be anathema.
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They are abominable works at that. Jesus will tell some Matt 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Total nonsense. As a Calvinist, you think regeneration precedes faith, but John 1:12 says faith precedes regeneration. We don't become sons (or children) of God until we are born of God (regenerated) and that verse clearly indicates that one must receive (accept, trust in) Him first before becoming a born again child of God. That lines up with Ephesians 1:12-13 which indicates that we first put our trust in Christ and believe in Him and then after that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit.
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Humbling yourself and repenting of your sins while surrendering to Christ are abominable works? LOL!!! No, they are not. You are very delusional.
You try to support your nonsense with a verse that says nothing about humbling yourself and repenting of your sins as being included among the works that don't result in anyone being saved.
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What does it mean to be spiritually dead? I don't think you have any idea. Jesus said that sinners are spiritually sick. There's that third option that you tried to claim doesn't exist.
Mark 2:16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners? 17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
So, what is the difference between being spiritually dead in sins and being spiritually sick? I don't expect you to answer this question since you obviously have never even thought about this. For someone to be dead in sins means that they are spiritually separated from God. They have no personal relationship with God. Being dead in sins has nothing to do with what someone is or is not capable of doing spiritually. Jesus said that sinners are spiritually sick. When someone is sick, they are capable of recognizing that they are sick and of acknowledging that they can't heal themselves and need the physician to heal them. They are capable of choosing to either think they are fine and don't need a physician or to humble themselves and acknowledge that they are sinners who can't heal themselves (can't atone for their own sins) and need Jesus to heal them of their spiritual sickness by covering their sins with His blood.
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Jesus didn’t call them spiritually sick. Those words are not mentioned in that passage. What Jesus DID do was liken himself to a physician, and liken sinners to the sick. It’s called a simile.
If someone is not alive in Christ they are dead in their sins. There is no in-between state. Even a sick person is alive, if you want to draw that unrelated example out.
Ephesians 2:1-2 (NASB95) 1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
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No, it is not applicable to all. Jesus said that the Ninevites (Gentiles) repented at the preaching of Jonah but the Jews even though they had miracles would not. Gentiles repented without miracles. Paul attributes the inability of the Jews to believe to the hardness of their hearts (Romans 10) and not to some perceived innate inability. Jesus said that many Gentiles would come from the East and the Werst to sit down at the banguet table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But he expected only a few of his own people to find the road to life.
The Gentiles did not have the long history of rebellion against God that the Jews had. The Jews were calloused. Gentiles were not. John 6 applied only to the Jews in that time.
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Jack Terrence
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None of the Jews to whom he was speaking, that is. "No one" just like "everyone" is qualified by the context.
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