FAITH-IN-HIM
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Are you suggesting bible is ok with Christian gratify themselves looking at a naked artwork?
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Oklahoma’s MAGA superintendent who demanded Bibles in class faces investigation after TV in his office shows naked women
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The "are you suggesting..." routine has gotten tiresome. Does the Bible condemn the appearance of women? No. Does the Bible condemn looking at a woman? No. Does the Bible condemn lusting after a woman? Yes. The images of nudes in the Sistine Chapel are not the problem. Lusting after them and gratifying oneself to them is the problem. Not to mention that would be really weird.
Now what evidence whatsoever is there that Walters was gratifying himself? Some are so thirsty to condemn someone they do so based on their own imaginings. Some might even call it projecting.
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Your eplanation falls flat in that nude videos are not great works of art. Nudity in itself is not evil but there is a lot in the Bible about being chaste and modest etc.
He was at work at the OK Dept, of Education. No, watching a video featuring nudes is unacceptable and I will suggest that the internet had limits in a Education building, so this had to be a video.
But the investigators will get to the truth hopefully.
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Also,
Tit 2:3
The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Tit 2:4
That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tit 2:5
To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Tit 2:3
The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Tit 2:4
That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tit 2:5
To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
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I'm not the one who brought up works of art. The person I was replying to did.
I wrote earlier 'should a Christian school superintendent be viewing images of nudes, in his office? No. But no one knows what was actually going on so far. But my guess is the sheriff's department investigating the matter will figure it out'.
What's questionable about this is, the content that was described, and the fact that two out of four people all in the office at the same time, did not see any such thing. And like I also said, I'm only going with TV broadcast because the accuser described it as such.
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Well two of them did not have view of the TV screen from the position they were at.
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Perhaps. All one can do at this point is speculate. Did they see it when they were all entering? Or only after everyone was seated? I'd have to see the layout of the office in order to make an educated guess regarding the latter.
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Are you suggesting that viewing, collecting, possessing nude picture is acceptable as long as it does not involve lust or gratification? Are you implying that it would be appropriate for young boys and girls to view or own images featuring nudity as long as lust is not involve because similar nudity existing in Sistine Chaple?
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Which is not what is being claimed. He *never* had the right to foist his religion on others by his office. Never.
Walters is a government official. There is no way that the material he was caught viewing would be acceptable to access or display by a government official in government office on his personal devices or (as it seems to be the case here) on a government device/screen.
Walters is either elected or appointed by the gov. (I think he is elected). He can't be removed by ordinary HR process. If elected he can only be removed by some sort of impeachment process. If appointed only the governor can remove him. His opponents (non-theocrats) are trying to use his obvious breaking of normal workplace rules in government (and frankly most companies) to get him to resign or spur those who could remove him (legislature/governor) to act and they are using his violations of the moral norms of the same people who have backed him to weaken his support. Pretty standard political tactics.
Not relevant. The point is that he is violating the rules of the workplace and would be fired in most cases. No one is going to "fire" Gates for eating a burger. He doesn't work for a vegan website, just like Walters does not work for a Christian advocacy group. He is a government official.
Why should whatever that irrelevance was change anyone's mind about anything?
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Why should the irrelevant fact that this guy may or may not like to look at softcore erotica have any bearing pertaining to the discussions about bibles in schools?
Seems to like they're coming from the same thought process
"Since this person can't live up to their own moral code XYZ, then that's reason for moral code XYZ to be scrapped"
When, in fact, anything to do with forcing bibles into schools should be argued against from a 1st amendment perspective, not a self-identifying Christian's internet search history.
If people aren't going at it from that angle, then why add the "who demanded bibles in class" to the title? If that's not part of the thought process, why not leave that part out?
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Exposing the alleged bankruptcy of a cultural movement is part of the agenda here. Its not just about the specific proposal at hand.
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All Christians should advocate for others to live a Christian life. The scriptures have plenty of admonition for us to do so. Scripture is also clear rhat we all sin as well. Scripture never says we cannot ever advocate for living scriptural values unless we are pure as rhe driven snow ourselves. Otherwise we would all have to just keep.our mouths shut on any subject involving living right.
Pastors couldn't say a thing from the pulpit. Using scripture to teach, exhort, rebuke or reproof.
And we couldn't challenge anyone about anything.
Also you have NO idea if he is or isnt trying to live up to the standards. You dont know anything about what happened. You are being judgemental without all the facts. Maybe he deserves to be rebuked. Maybe he was watching something he shouldn't have been. Maybe it was something that came on and he didnt know about it. Maybe it was a prank. Maybe it was some sort of documentary. You dont know and that makes your and others judgementalism wrong.
Why don't you wait and see what finally happens. If he is found to have been watching stuff on his governement property he shouldn't have then he should be let go. As a believer, if he was indeed watching porn then he should have other believers prove him and help him get back on the right path. We ALL need that from time to time. Because none of us is walking in perfection. And if anyone says he has not sinned is a liar and does not have the truth within us.
In a case like this, pointing a judgemental finger when you dont even know what actually happened is just as wrong as anything else.
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It's a lever arm to convince his backers that he must go. That only works if embarrassment and shame work, but it seems to be broken.
It is an identifier for those who don't remember all 3000 characters in the RW/GOP/MAGA/XNat movements. (Oh, *that* guy.)
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When I hear whataboutism or excuses, I question whether we've all read the same Bible or received similar church teachings, or if there are entirely different doctrines and Christian life style in Christianity that I've missed in my 40 years as a Christian.
I am sure you feel the same way.
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You dont know if he was involved in sinful behavior. That kind of attitude is what the Pharisees had. They loved to accuse. No one here is defending sin. People aren't willing to jump on the "hes a hypocrite sinner" bandwagon until we have all facts.
Maybe he is. Maybe he's addicted to 60s porn. I don't know. Maybe he is leading a double life and is a total hypocrite. I don't know. And neither do you. There is an awful lot of judgementlism going on without all the facts. Why don't we wait before rebuking rhe man until we know what really was going on.
A I know is I would like not to be smeared or judged over something that I didn't do.
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again .. same thing ..whataboutsim.
Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
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