How does the idea that most of Gods creation he will have to burn forever bring glory to God?

Jeff Saunders · Jul 26, 2025

Clare73 said:
The cosmos is the world.
The "world" here, in the light of the rest of the NT, means both Gentiles and Jews, not all Gentiles and Jews.

This thinking is new, made up by Calvinists to justify their false ideas, no place in Church history have I ever read that definition of cosmos.
The blinders you have to read with to get that definition are absurd, Jesus came and entered the fallen humanity and paid the price for all his creation, God will stop at nothing to reconcile all his humanity, he has a plan and it will not fail, no man or any other created thing can stop his plan or alter it in any way. Phil 2:10-11 Every knee will bow and every tongue will gladly confess Jesus is Lord.

Neogaia777 · Jul 26, 2025

Jeff Saunders said:
If you want to believe that I hope it works out for you, but I know that that is not correct, in Jesus death and resurrection God was reconciling the cosmos to himself, that is all of humanity, he will stop at nothing till all his creation is reconciled.

There is nothing that needs to be reconciled with God our Heavenly Father, but that One's judgement was already fully known/stands eternally always, etc, but there was that need for us to be reconciled with God in the OT, or God the Holy Spirit (his new name after Jesus in the NT) for that One had a lot of wrath towards mankind after the fall, and Jesus took that, and put an end to all of that after that, and it also handed that judgement over to him (Jesus) after that, so that God the Holy Spirit could now be in us, and dwell with us, and be our counselor and our helper (aganist the evil in the world, and Satan the Devil) until Jesus comes back, irregardless of all of the sin nature that every man has inside of them that that One was so repulsed by before that, so that He would not do that before that, etc. But in the judgement, it will be as I said earlier, either you are one of those who was only ever meant to do evil primarily, or you were not always, etc. Nothing either way is ever because of us, so that none can take any kind of credit, or boast, etc. Whether you will be one of those who is saved or condemned, none of it is ever because of us, etc. I don't think all will be on the side of being saved in that judgement, etc.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · Jul 26, 2025

Jipsah said:
So if He behaves in an utterly loathesome manner then we have to call it "just".

So torturing most of the people who He did create is a Good Thing.

God in the OT while being a Father to us, and Jesus biological Father, is not the Heavenly Father Jesus spoke so often about in the NT. God in the OT is the Holy Spirit in the NT, and he wasn't always fully omniscient like our Heavenly Father always is/was, and so started out "young" and had to learn, etc. This is what explains away most of that One's behavior and what he was trying to do in the OT, etc. He will not be the ultimate judge in the judgement, since that was handed over to our Heavenly Father, and to Jesus, etc. Right now, he is our helper against all of the evil in the world and Satan the Devil until Jesus comes back. Jesus went to where that Heavely Father always was/is so that he could return with all of the knowledge necessary to judge 100% fairly and rightly and truly justly when he does come back, etc. He also went there to prepare places for some of us there also, etc. It is also possible that God the Holy Spirit/God in the OT, is a God local to this creation/earth over us, etc. And I told you there are/is/always will be others, etc. But all will join the Highest Heavenly Father one day, etc.

Hentenza · Jul 26, 2025

Neogaia777 said:
God in the OT while being a Father to us, and Jesus biological Father, is not the Heavenly Father Jesus spoke so often about in the NT. God in the OT is the Holy Spirit in the NT, and he wasn't always fully omniscient like our Heavenly Father always is/was, and so started out "young" and had to learn, etc.

I find this problematic. The father is not Jesus biological father and God is not the Holy Spirit in the OT. God has always been fully omniscient. It seems that you are spouting an anti-trinitarian view of God.

Neogaia777 · Jul 26, 2025

Hentenza said:
I find this problematic. The father is not Jesus biological father and God is not the Holy Spirit in the OT. God has always been fully omniscient. It seems that you are spouting an anti-trinitarian view of God.

I'm spouting the only true and only correct interpretation of the Trinity of God.

Find it problematic all you want, but it is the only interpretation left or available that is still possible anymore now today. All other interpretations are already dead, or have already been laid to rest fully, or are already dust, etc.

Jesus discovered this, and built his whole Trinity doctrine around it, etc

God Bless.

Hentenza · Jul 26, 2025

Neogaia777 said:
I'm spouting the only true and only correct interpretation of the Trinity of God.

So you say. Your opinion is not evidence. Prove it.

Neogaia777 said:
Find it problematic all you want, but it is the only interpretation left or available that is still possible anymore now today. All other interpretations are already dead, or have already been laid to rest fully, or are already dust, etc.

But you have not provided evidence yet. So your interpretation is still yours.

Neogaia777 said:
God Bless.

God bless to you too.

Neogaia777 · Jul 26, 2025

Hentenza said:
So you say. Your opinion is not evidence. Prove it.

But you have not provided evidence yet. So your interpretation is still yours.

God bless to you too.

Use logic and reason for a minute, or ask AI or something smarter than you what would be the behavior/mannerisms of a truly and fully omniscient being or God over us, and then you'll begin to see the truth, and the same truth that Jesus discovered or figured out, etc.

Hentenza · Jul 26, 2025

Neogaia777 said:
Use logic and reason for a minute, or ask AI or something smarter than you what would be the behavior/mannerisms of a truly and fully omniscient being or God over us, and then you'll begin to see the truth, and the same truth that Jesus discovered or figured out, etc.

Are you willing to provide evidence or not? Now you seem to be spouting a gnostic teaching.

Neogaia777 · Jul 26, 2025

Hentenza said:
Are you willing to provide evidence or not? Now you seem to be spouting a gnostic teaching.

Knowing the way that a fully and truly omniscient being would have to be or behave if it was a truly omniscient God over us is just some of my evidence, etc. It's not that hard to know or figure out, so just try, ok. Or, like I said, that if you can't, then ask someone or something smarter than you are, etc.

Hentenza · Jul 26, 2025

Neogaia777 said:
Knowing the way that a fully and truly omniscient being would have to be or behave if it was a truly omniscient God over us is just some of my evidence, etc. It's not that hard to know or figure out, so just try, ok. Or, like I said, that if you can't, then ask someone or something smarter than you are, etc.

Again, you are not providing any evidence other than your opinion.

Neogaia777 · Jul 26, 2025

Hentenza said:
Again, you are not providing any evidence other than your opinion.

The only paths that pure logic and reason can follow, and/or facts, are not opinions, etc.

But I'll leave you in your ignorant state if you wish, ok.

God Bless

Hentenza · Jul 26, 2025

Neogaia777 said:
The only paths that pure logic and reason can follow, and/or facts, are not opinions, etc.

But I'll leave you in your ignorant state if you wish, ok.

God Bless

And yet as pure logic evidence is still required. A syllogism would be nice.

Lukaris · Jul 26, 2025

The Gospel of John gives us the clearest full revelation of God. John 1:1-18 shows us that Jesus Christ is the Word with God ( the Father) and is God also. These verses show us the end of the Old Covenant ( John the Baptist) proceeding to the New in Jesus Christ. In John chapters 14, 15, & 16 the Lord explains that He & the Father are One & that Holy Spirit is also God ( for ex. John 15:26, John 16:1-15. Indeed our basic faith in keeping God’s commandments is in cooperation with the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit in John 14:15-18.

Neogaia777 · Jul 26, 2025

Hentenza said:
And yet as pure logic evidence is still required. A syllogism would be nice.

I've given you about all I can give you to help you for now. Anymore would just be me repeating myself.

I'm working towards putting it all down in a book though, so you guys can have the whole thing without anything being left out, etc.

I'll let you know when that comes about, ok.

God Bless.

Hentenza · Jul 26, 2025

Neogaia777 said:
I've given you about all I can give you to help you for now. Anymore would just be me repeating myself.

God Bless.

But you still have not posted any evidence to back up your hypothesis. Your opinion just does not count.

Neogaia777 · Jul 26, 2025

Hentenza said:
But you still have not posted any evidence to back up your hypothesis. Your opinion just does not count.

Follow logic and reason on it, and you will have the facts, as it's not just my opinion, but I've told you that already, and I'm not going to just keep repeating myself.

To follow logic and reason, you can't just follow what it is that you want to be true, but you have to give up on what you want to be true, for what is actually true, because that is what is pure logic and reason free from deception, or free from deceiving yourself is only, etc.

To embrace these truths that I am right now trying to expose you to, it will greatly challenge all of this, and everything you think you know, and some are not willing, or might even be unable, to do that right now currently, etc.

To some, they are only going to be a possibility however, etc.

But they will still have to admit that maybe it is one of the only real possibilities left anymore with it now, etc.

God Bless.

Hentenza · Jul 26, 2025

Neogaia777 said:
Follow logic and reason on it, and you will have the facts, as it's not just my opinion, but I've told you that already, and I'm not going to just keep repeating myself.

To follow logic and reason, you can't just follow what it is that you want to be true, but you have to give up on what you want to be true, for what is actually true.

God Bless.

I guess you have no evidence to provide so your assertions are nothing but your opinion. I’ve been asking you for evidence for a few posts now to no avail. I guess you just dont have any.

Neogaia777 · Jul 26, 2025

Hentenza said:
I guess you have no evidence to provide so your assertions are nothing but your opinion. I’ve been asking you for evidence for a few posts now to no avail. I guess you just dont have any.

Go your way and be blessed.

Eventually all will come to know these truths in time, it's inevitable that they will be eventually, and so, I am not worried about it, etc.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · Jul 26, 2025

Hentenza said:
I guess you have no evidence to provide so your assertions are nothing but your opinion. I’ve been asking you for evidence for a few posts now to no avail. I guess you just dont have any.

What evidence do you have for your faith?

Either way, these truths that I am right now trying to tell you are going to be inevitable eventually. And even the staunchest of opposers will have to admit that they are a real possibility.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · Jul 26, 2025

@Hentenza

Also either way, if you want to know about my "evidence", I've seen some things, and experienced some things, that has shown me for a fact that God/gods do indeed for a fact exist, and the rest is based on truths from the Bible, and deductive logic and reasoning, etc, and also, the help of the Holy Spirit also, etc.

God Bless.

How does the idea that most of Gods creation he will have to burn forever bring glory to God?

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