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6,000 Years?
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Hi Platte
Thank you for your reply but it dose not answer my question if you are right and the world is only 6000 years old when in that 6000 year period did God flood the world.
And what about everything God created before the flood the first Adam for example I can agree with you that God continued his creation prosses after the flood and it would take 6000 years to compleat the end result mankind in the image of God which would consist of Jesus Christ the head and his body the multitude of believers which he would present to the Father on his return.
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The Flood was approx 2348 BC (1656 years after creation). Adam died 700 years before the flood. There is no creation process…Creation was a 6 day event ~6000 years ago. Man was created in the image of God in the beginning
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We don't know. No one but God knows that answer.
I think it's interesting that there isn't actually an ordinal 'first' day in the Genesis chapter 1 narrative....
And why the difference in language between the originating day and the 2nd through 7th days? I don't think anyone really knows why, or to what extent there may be some sort of implied semantic insinuation about time as God sees it.
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The NRSVue make is sound like is was without form and void from the beginning.
1 When God began to create[a] the heavens and the earth, 2 the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep
Genesis1:1-5 is all day one but I understand some don't think that.
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Well, one does wonder why the earth had to start in a state of chaos and darkness if God is omnipotent and could just create a viable earth in an instant. Personally, I think the main concept that does the most theological lifting where contexts are firmly considered is the term, תְה֑וֹם
I think it does the theological lifting because it seems to me to tie-into the overall theology (and the statement of God's Lordship and Sovereignty) as it is told in the Exodus narrative where God literally splits "the Deep."
But instead, we who read the Bible in modern English get all tied up with temporal and empirically determined concepts that skew our understanding and cause us to remain solely within a 20th-21st century mindset, thinking we're batting away the inroads of modern science.
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Yeah - doesn't make sense....
Creating the earth without form (no topography) and void (of life) makes perfect sense though. Then simply add some topography and life and in 6 days you have a viable earth.
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In a sense, yes. But having the creation narrative state that the earth began without form or life and was covered by an 'abyss' makes even more sense if we understand that the ancient intercultural background in which Genesis 1 was written made prominent use of the mythical motif of Tiamat ...
So, the focus in Genesis chapter 1 isn't on time, but rather on stating who is Lord over the Abyss (Tehom / Tiamat), over each creature or thing, as well as each day of the week, all of which had been venerated in one way or another with, or as, 'gods'
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Hi Platte
thank you for your post where do you get all these numbers from I cant find any in the scriptures that Adam died before the flood is correct so when Noah stepped of the ark there was no man in Gods image so this was the only thing God needed to create and he would be realised in Christ Jesus at his second coming.
the first thing God created was Israel man in the image of God in the flesh which was rejected so God began a new creation in Jesus Christ which would be a spiritual man and would be completed at Christs second coming The multitude of believers that is Christs body which he presents to the father is mankind in the image of God the end of Creation.
Love and Peace
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That was the ancient intercultural background during that time. Strange world back then. I'm thankful that Jesus was sent to be "the light of the world" so that I too know the God of Abraham!
The Jewish people as God's chosen people....weren't involved in that intercultural background....they were the only ones who knew and worshiped the 1 true God.
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Actually, no. I do not know what Bible are you reading, but in the common Old Testament and New Testament, Bible describes Jews to be fallen away almost all the time and "walking in the way of the pagans", except for few brief revival periods like during king David's reign.
Not to even mention they were constantly subdued by some pagan empire or in exile, for example in Babylon.
They did not live isolated in some utopian lala land.
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They lived a distinctly different life than others during that time....THEY WERE THE ONLY ONE WHO WORSHIPPED GOD. They were far from perfect....but they were far different from the secular world of that time. To group them as if they were equally engaged in other gods and mythical beings as other cultures were during that time is not honest or the reality of the life and behaviour of the Jews. You think Daniel was engaged in the Babylon Gods? Cmon. Babylon knew the Jews were different and that their God was different...just the fact that the jews had 1 God was foreign to them.
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1. The majority of Jews through the majority of their history were influenced by surrounding nations, intensively... and even followed their gods. Just read the Bible, it is recorded there. Over and over again. Chapter after chapter of their history.
2. Their cosmology and cosmogony were influenced by the whole Mesopotamian culture, they did not live in some isolated lala land culture free of influences. They were not "far different from the secular world of that time", this is a false claim. I have no idea where you got it from.
3. They were not the only ones who worshiped God, even Bible itself mentions people outside of Israel who did.
Daniel was one specific individual. So special that he has a book in the Bible about him.
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Hi Platte
thank you for your post but a single human man or woman is not in the image of God man in the image of God is Jesus Christ at his second coming when he presents the body of believers a multitude to the Father this is man in the image of god or as I like to think of it as mankind in the image of God if you want to know what man in the image of God looks like you only have to look at Israel the man of God whom he created in the flesh.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
take note in our image and our likeness which indicates the heavenly host.
Love and Peace
Dave
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Again: To group them as if they were equally engaged in other gods and mythical beings as other cultures were during that time is not honest or the reality of the life and behaviour of the Jews. You think Daniel was engaged in the Babylon Gods? Cmon. Babylon knew the Jews were different and that their God was different...
You don't think the lifestyle and beliefs of the Babylonians and the Jews were far different from each other? You don't think the lifestyle and beliefs of the Egyptians and the Jews were far different from each other? The Romans and the Jews?
What nation (not an individual) worshipped God besides Israel?
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Read the Bible. Chapter after chapter. Book after book. Israelites walking like other nations and not worshiping Yahweh. They returned to that only after some national catastrophe and it has never been for long. Their own prophets witness against them throughout the Bible.
Daniel was one specific individual, so special that he has a book about him.
Not as much as you think. Regarding cultural ideas, knowledge about the world, cosmology, education, creation stories - very similar.
For example in your favorite book of Daniel, Medes (Daniel 6). Read the Bible, it is all there.
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Initially, up to the 8th century BCE, Israelites were polytheistic and worshipped multiple gods including El, Baal, Asherah, and Astarte. Yahweh was the national god of Israel and Judah, but he competed with other deities. Over time, especially in the late 8th century BCE and during reforms such as those under King Josiah, worship of Yahweh became exclusive, evolving into a strict monotheism after the Babylonian exile.
The period following Josiah saw a decline, with subsequent kings often reversing his reforms and the people returning to idolatrous practices.
AI summary.
The period following Josiah saw a decline, with subsequent kings often reversing his reforms and the people returning to idolatrous practices.
AI summary.
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