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So, apparently The Church Is Israel

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And you are entitled to have your own personal interpretation. :)

Israel was God's chosen people under the first covenant. The practicing Israelites/Jews of today believe that this covenant is still in force. It is not. The first covenant was fulfilled when Jesus Christ died on the cross. It is no longer in force. Hebrews 8:13, Hebrews 9:15

Jesus' Church is God's chosen people under Jesus' New Covenant. Jesus makes no distinction between the ethnic Jewish Christians and the non-Jewish Christians under his New Covenant. The remnant practicing Israelites/Jews will one day join Jesus' Church under his New Covenant.

Matthew 16:18
1 Corinthians 12:13
Galatians 3:28
However, God has NOT finished with Israel and the nations He has made. If God had just wanted one group, then He could have made them centuries ago and stopped the centuries of pain and suffering since.
 
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However, God has NOT finished with Israel and the nations He has made. If God had just wanted one group, then He could have made them centuries ago and stopped the centuries of pain and suffering since.

Jan0001 either subscribes to replacement theology or fulfillment theology.
 
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However, God has NOT finished with Israel and the nations He has made. If God had just wanted one group, then He could have made them centuries ago and stopped the centuries of pain and suffering since.
God is not finished with the Israelites/practicing Jews. He will still save a remnant of them before he returns at his second coming. Romans 9:27

God's ways are not our ways, and his thoughts are not our thoughts. God can do whatever he wishes to do.
 
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Jan0001 either subscribes to replacement theology or fulfillment theology.
Jesus fulfilled the first covenant. It is not in force. Jesus made it obsolete by his sacrificial death on the cross. Hebrews 8:13
Jesus gave both Jews and non-Jews his new covenant, which is in force now. He makes no distinction between races in his new covenant.
 
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Jesus fulfilled the first covenant. It is not in force. Jesus made it obsolete by his sacrificial death on the cross. Hebrews 8:13
Jesus gave both Jews and non-Jews his new covenant, which is in force now. He makes no distinction between races in his new covenant.

Would you agree that view is either replacement or fulfillment?
 
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God's ways are not our ways, and his thoughts are not our thoughts. God can do whatever he wishes to do.

So if God decided that
  1. Israel (comprised of only Jacob's descendants) and
  2. the Body of Christ (which as you said, there is neither Jew nor gentile)
each has a unique and separate purpose in his plans (Ephesians 1:10)

You would agree he can do that as well?
 
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God’s Holy People in the Last Days:
Isaiah 62:1-12... ..They will be called the holy people; the Redeemed of the Lord.

Daniel 8:23-26 In the last days, when sin is most prevalent, a powerful leader will arise. He will succeed in whatever he does, and will take control of the mighty nations and of God’s holy people. By cunning and deceit, his plans will come about and cause great harm to many when they least expect it. He will challenge even the Prince of Princes, but then will be broken, but not by human hand.
This prophecy tells of events to happen in the distant future.

Daniel 7:23-25 The explanation given is: There will be a 4th kingdom, one that will encompass the whole earth. Initially ten rulers will govern it, but another leader will take over all this kingdom. He will defy the Most High God and will conquer the holy ones of God.

Revelation 13:7 The ‘beast’ is allowed to wage war on God’s people and to defeat them…. Vividly described in Zechariah 14:1-2

Daniel 11:32 By plausible promises he will win over those who will violate the Covenant, but some will resolutely keep their faith.

The Covenant here, is the one between God and His people, for their protection.

The treaty, the 7 year peace agreement of Daniel 9:27, is between the Leader of the One World Govt, and the leaders of the Christian nation of Beulah. It will be broken by the leader of the OWG after the first 3 1/2 years. Daniel 11:31

These Bible prophesies are proof that God’s holy people, His chosen elect people; all those true born again Christian believers; the One people of God, Ephesians 4:4-6, are not removed from the earth, as some would like to think, but are present in the holy Land during the last few years of this age.

As we see in Daniel 11:32, Zechariah 14:2b, they divide into two groups, one remaining in the holy Land and the other goes away. Revelation 12:6-17 again shows these two groups; the faithful ones who refused the peace treaty with the leader of the World Govt, taken to a place of safety and those who did agree with the treaty of Death; Isaiah 28:14-15, they must remain. Revelation 12:17

The fact of all the righteous Christians living in all of the Holy Land, before the Return of Jesus, is well prophesied in all of the Bible. Many do not see it because of false teachings and not comprehending the truth of how Christians are now to be the recipient’s of the promises of God, given initially to ethnic Israel, but now available to all true believers. 2 Corinthians 1:20

We Christians look forward to being at last the people God has always wanted in His holy Land.
That is our promise and our great privilege; to be alive to participate at this critical time of mankind’s history.

What I pray all will do, is see the real truth of what actually will happen.
 
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God’s Holy People in the Last Days:
Isaiah 62:1-12... ..They will be called the holy people; the Redeemed of the Lord.

Daniel 8:23-26 In the last days, when sin is most prevalent, a powerful leader will arise. He will succeed in whatever he does, and will take control of the mighty nations and of God’s holy people. By cunning and deceit, his plans will come about and cause great harm to many when they least expect it. He will challenge even the Prince of Princes, but then will be broken, but not by human hand.
This prophecy tells of events to happen in the distant future.

Daniel 7:23-25 The explanation given is: There will be a 4th kingdom, one that will encompass the whole earth. Initially ten rulers will govern it, but another leader will take over all this kingdom. He will defy the Most High God and will conquer the holy ones of God.

Revelation 13:7 The ‘beast’ is allowed to wage war on God’s people and to defeat them…. Vividly described in Zechariah 14:1-2

Daniel 11:32 By plausible promises he will win over those who will violate the Covenant, but some will resolutely keep their faith.

The Covenant here, is the one between God and His people, for their protection.

The treaty, the 7 year peace agreement of Daniel 9:27, is between the Leader of the One World Govt, and the leaders of the Christian nation of Beulah. It will be broken by the leader of the OWG after the first 3 1/2 years. Daniel 11:31

These Bible prophesies are proof that God’s holy people, His chosen elect people; all those true born again Christian believers; the One people of God, Ephesians 4:4-6, are not removed from the earth, as some would like to think, but are present in the holy Land during the last few years of this age.

As we see in Daniel 11:32, Zechariah 14:2b, they divide into two groups, one remaining in the holy Land and the other goes away. Revelation 12:6-17 again shows these two groups; the faithful ones who refused the peace treaty with the leader of the World Govt, taken to a place of safety and those who did agree with the treaty of Death; Isaiah 28:14-15, they must remain. Revelation 12:17

The fact of all the righteous Christians living in all of the Holy Land, before the Return of Jesus, is well prophesied in all of the Bible. Many do not see it because of false teachings and not comprehending the truth of how Christians are now to be the recipient’s of the promises of God, given initially to ethnic Israel, but now available to all true believers. 2 Corinthians 1:20

We Christians look forward to being at last the people God has always wanted in His holy Land.
That is our promise and our great privilege; to be alive to participate at this critical time of mankind’s history.

What I pray all will do, is see the real truth of what actually will happen.
And are all true believers in Christ , Born. Again ?

Your thoughts what Rom 10:9. and 10 mean , as they do clash , don't THEY. ?

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And are all true believers in Christ , Born. Again ?
Satan knows and believes Jesus lived on earth and made the sacrifice for the sins of humankind.
AND Jewish Israeli's know this too, but they reject Jesus and forfeit His salvation.

The idea of the Jews still being a chosen people, is utterly ridiculous and contrary to New Testament teachings.
What will God do with the apostate Jews? Isaiah 22:14 and Luke 19:27, make it crystal clear.
 
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Satan knows and believes Jesus lived on earth and made the sacrifice for the sins of humankind.
AND Jewish Israeli's know this too, but they reject Jesus and forfeit His salvation.

The idea of the Jews still being a chosen people, is utterly ridiculous and contrary to New Testament teachings.
What will God do with the apostate Jews? Isaiah 22:14 and Luke 19:27, make it crystal clear.
And. Isa :22:14 is Not crystal at all and they did reject Jesus in. Acts 28:25-28. .

And do , say that Israel are not a chosen people and you have a verse , maybe. ?

And I m did ask you are we born Again for salvation today. ?

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The Church is not Israel. The Church is a subset of Israel.
Superset. It's all those who are saved by the Blood of Christ, Jew and Greek, slave and free, etc.
One has to look at the entire history. Believers before the church came into existence were heirs of Abraham. Believers after the church came into existence have been grafted into the family of Abraham. Today, one cannot be a believer in Christ without being in His church, but the church is part of the Israel that walked by faith.
Part? The vast majority of Christians are in no way connected to physical Israel.
The Church is not Israel. The Church is a subset of Israel.
Again, superset, of which Israel physical Israel is only a small part.
Today, one cannot be a believer in Christ without being in His church, but the church is part of the Israel that walked by faith.
Backward. Israel is part of the Church.
 
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Well, yeah.
And you do have a verse where Israel is part of the Body of Christ ?\

And the Greek for EKKLESIA mean, OUT . and LESIA , means A CALLING , means an. ASSEMELY

And in 1 Corr 12:15-17. the Body of Christ is made up of. of Foot , of EARS , and EYES and SENSE pf HEARINS

and SENSE of SMELL. !
dan p
 
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