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So, apparently The Church Is Israel

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So, apparently The Church Is Israel

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“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And If You Are Christ’s, Then You Are Abraham’s Seed, And Heirs According To The Promise.”

- Galatians 3:28-29


 

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So, apparently The Church Is Israel

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“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And If You Are Christ’s, Then You Are Abraham’s Seed, And Heirs According To The Promise.”

- Galatians 3:28-29


The Church is not Israel. The Church is a subset of Israel.

One has to look at the entire history. Believers before the church came into existence were heirs of Abraham. Believers after the church came into existence have been grafted into the family of Abraham. Today, one cannot be a believer in Christ without being in His church, but the church is part of the Israel that walked by faith.
 
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So, apparently The Church Is Israel

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“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And If You Are Christ’s, Then You Are Abraham’s Seed, And Heirs According To The Promise.”

- Galatians 3:28-29


Not to be mistaken with geopolitical Israel.
It is the " Jerusalem from above".
Blessings
 
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The above may well be true but the physical land of Israel Yahweh gave specifically to the legitimate descendants of Abraham vice Ishmael the illegitimate son of Hagar. Although they have been attacked and decimated Jews have always lived in the land that God gave them.
Eze_11:17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel [593-571 BCE]
Not only the Old Testament but also the Qur'an which Muslims, including Palestinians, only claim to believe and obey says that Israel belongs to the Jews,
Qur’an Surah 5:20 Remember when Moses said to his people: 'My people, remember Allah's favour upon you when He raised Prophets amongst you and appointed you rulers, and granted to you what He had not granted to anyone else in the world. 5:21 My people! Enter the holy land which Allah has ordained for you;43 and do not turn back for then you will turn about losers.
Qur’an Surah 10:93 - "And We [Allah] had certainty settled the Children of Israel in an agreeable settlement and provided them with good things"
Qur’an Surah 17:104 " And We [Allah] said after Pharaoh to the Children of Israel, to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when THE LAST WARNING will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'"
 
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So, apparently The Church Is Israel

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“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And If You Are Christ’s, Then You Are Abraham’s Seed, And Heirs According To The Promise.”

- Galatians 3:28-29


It is interesting because the very first major Church was founded in Israel in Jerusalem. If I remember right, it's the church where Acts takes place. At that time, Christianity was considered a sect of Judaism. It wasn't until St. Paul came on board that the started converting the Pagans. Pretty Cool. That's why they say we were "grafted in." We Gentiles were not a part of the blood covenant until Jesus' blood sacrifice and that sacrifice grafted us into the house of Israel who are the 'Chosen People."
 
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So, apparently The Church Is Israel

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“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And If You Are Christ’s, Then You Are Abraham’s Seed, And Heirs According To The Promise.”

- Galatians 3:28-29


The Greek word "ekklesia" is translated as "church" and is use many times in the Septuagint to refer to Israel in the wilderness, so Israel has always been the church.
 
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So, apparently The Church Is Israel

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“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And If You Are Christ’s, Then You Are Abraham’s Seed, And Heirs According To The Promise.”

- Galatians 3:28-29


So, apparently The Church Is Israel

Interesting


“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And If You Are Christ’s, Then You Are Abraham’s Seed, And Heirs According To The Promise.”

- Galatians 3:28-29


Just where does IT say that the EKKLESIA // ASSEMBLY , is Israel ??

# 1 Israel was set aside in Acts 28:25-28 !!

# 2 And 2 COR 3:13-15 says Israel a covering reama !!

# 3 And verse 15 that covering remains upon their HEART .

And Gal 3:28 says There CANNOT // OV in the Greek means there will NEVERRRRRRRRRR be Jew nor Greek in the BODY of Christ .

# 4 Then is Col 3:11 says , there CANNOT // OV , Greek and Jew ., circumcision ,and uncircumcision , for

Notice that Col 3:11 begins with the words , Greek !!

AND Gal 3:28 begins with There cannot be Jew nor Greek ??

WHY ??

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Ask paul, he is the only one who seemed to understand himself.

No single interpretation of his letters have stood the test of time and are now universally recognized as the truth.

Jesus, james, ? It seems most ignore what they said.
 
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So, apparently The Church Is Israel

Interesting


“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And If You Are Christ’s, Then You Are Abraham’s Seed, And Heirs According To The Promise.”

- Galatians 3:28-29


Yes, the church is the Israel of God or Spiritual Israel. Compare that passage you quoted to this one and notice the similarities:

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

The parts I highlighted in red describe the Israel of which not all who are descended from the nation of Israel are part, which is called "The Israel of God" in Galatians 6:16 and is what many also call Spiritual Israel or True Israel.
 
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Yes, the church is the Israel of God or Spiritual Israel. Compare that passage you quoted to this one and notice the similarities:

Romans 9:6
Paul actually explains this pretty well.

It's the post 1900 era dispensationalist christians who believe we need to support a nation of Jews who say they are Jews but are not, in order for many of them to kill and be killed in wars.. so they can build a third temple, so Jesus can return. as if God needs us to support someone else to fulfill his prophecies which we can't even come to agreement on.


you could easily interpret the commands in the bible to pray for the peace in Jerusalem.. to mean the peace within the holy city of God's people.. not the physical territory. in other words, pray for God's people in your own town.
 
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So, apparently The Church Is Israel

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“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And If You Are Christ’s, Then You Are Abraham’s Seed, And Heirs According To The Promise.”

- Galatians 3:28-29



Typically, for one to want to believe that the Body of Christ is part of Israel, they will use the NIV to form that belief, especially Ephesians 3:6 NIV and Galatians 6:16 NIV
 
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Just a thought here,

Notice how Paul does not call Gentiles Jews here. he shows two different groups. And if in Christ there s neither Jew nor Greek, then believers cannot even say they are Jewish or Gentile in Christ.

“Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.(Romans 8:24-31 KJV).

and Paul distinctly refers to Israel and Jews in a different way than Gentiles

"I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,..."( Romans 11;1,2 KJV),
 
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So, apparently The Church Is Israel

Interesting


“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And If You Are Christ’s, Then You Are Abraham’s Seed, And Heirs According To The Promise.”

- Galatians 3:28-29


Abrahams seed is Christ. Christ in us is the life and in Christ we are a new creation.

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ...“And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”” (Galatians 3:16, 29 KJV).

Christ in you is the hope of glory

“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23 KJV)

" And he said, Unto you it is given to know the
mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved... (Luke 8:10-12 KJV).
 
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Romans 2:28,29 and Philippians 3:2,3. Think in these.

All Christians are the" Israel of God" and the true circumcision.

Why is Jesus called "My Servant Israel" in Isaiah 49:3?
 
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Romans 2:28,29 and Philippians 3:2,3. Think in these.

All Christians are the" Israel of God" and the true circumcision.

Why is Jesus called "My Servant Israel" in Isaiah 49:3?
the expression "the Israel of God", seems to be referring to the believing Jews and the uncircumcision to the Gentiles.

15For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. 16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.: (Galatians 6:15 KJV).

Notice Paul is speaking of the circumcision (jewish believers) and the uncircumcision ( Gentile believers) . Why would Paul make that distinction of the two? Then he says "peace be on them", This "them" would seem to refer to the Gentiles here then he add the Jewish believers and says "and upon the Israel of God" The word "AND" shows he is adding another to the words spoken here.calls them the "Israel of God as I understand here.

Notice how Paul is talking to the jewish believers and Gentles in Galatians and the Jewish believers were allowed a time of reformation hebrews 9 to come out of the old into the new. So there was two distinct points of reference. Paul says in Galatians,

"But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision" ( Galatians 2:7,9 KJV).

So Paul does make some distinction here.
 
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So, apparently The Church Is Israel

Interesting


“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And If You Are Christ’s, Then You Are Abraham’s Seed, And Heirs According To The Promise.”

- Galatians 3:28-29


the Church are Co-heirs but there is still a distinct Israel that is not the Church

Romans 11
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
This first part addresses this idea of whether God is done with Israel or not, to which Paul says no, first off, the Apostles are Jews, so there's a remnant within the Church.

but that's not all as he continues
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Paul addresses that Israel has not obtained what was promised by God yet, aside from that remnant that started the Church. Paul then asks why did God do this, giving them a spirit of slumber, and blinding them, and it was to spread the Gospel to the Gentiles, for the purpose of provoking Israel to jealousy, so they'd see that God is now giving favor to gentiles, and they'd stop being stubborn and figure out WHY the gentiles have favor and they do not.

and then Paul goes into what would happen when the fullness of Israel gets saved.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
It'd be a great blessing, and magnify God

now Paul goes into an analogy, using an Olive tree as an illustration
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
So let's think about the meaning of this Illustration.
The root of the tree is Jesus, the root bears the branches which are individual people bound to the root. Israel, the "natural branches" had some of them broken off out of unbelief, and "wild" branches, the gentiles were attached to the root. Note it's not a replacement, Jesus has always been the root, we're merely branches supported by the root. We are added in to an already existing tree, not a new separate tree, nor a replacement. We're added in. Paul also adds that the broken off branches can also be added back in, and admonishes people who would say we "replace" Israel because if we abandon the faith we can be broken off too.

which is a tangent on the subject of OSAS: Yes, you cannot be taken away from the faith by an outside force, but you can go apostate, and abandon the faith. It's not "did you at one time believe Jesus was who He said He was and died on the cross for your sin and has Risen" it's "do you believe.." it's an ongoing faith. If you stop believing your branch can be broken off.

Finally Paul drops the Illustration and says that God still has a plan for the Jews
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
God used the falling away of Israel to bring the Gentiles to faith, and save them. When He's saved the Gentiles, He'll remove Israel's blindness, and there are things showing that such as Zechariah 12:10. God miraculously saves the House of David and inhabitants of Jerusalem who pierced Him (which is not the Gentile Church). It'll be miraculous and bring God glory especially among people in the Church who right now, hate Jews and see the Church as replacing Jews. God will humble them with what He does.

Paul then finishes in doxology, to express just how wise this plan of God's is
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

So the Church does not replace Israel
nor are the Church and Israel wholly separate, as dispensationalists will claim.

We're grafted into Israel, but there's still a plan for natural Israel.
 
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Paul actually explains this pretty well.

It's the post 1900 era dispensationalist christians who believe we need to support a nation of Jews who say they are Jews but are not, in order for many of them to kill and be killed in wars.. so they can build a third temple, so Jesus can return. as if God needs us to support someone else to fulfill his prophecies which we can't even come to agreement on.


you could easily interpret the commands in the bible to pray for the peace in Jerusalem.. to mean the peace within the holy city of God's people.. not the physical territory. in other words, pray for God's people in your own town.
Actually the Synagogue of Satan I believe are those who are "culturally" Jewish, or "ethnically" Jewish but do not believe in God, and therefore don't believe in the promises of God.

one of which is Ezekiel 36, that God will bring the Jews out of exile back to their own land from ALL the nations they were scattered to (so no not the Babylonian captivity), and not because they were so good but because they were blaspheming His name in every nation they were scattered to. It's for God's own sake to bring them back and later give them a new heart. So the state of Israel fits that, gathered back into their own land in unbelief to be given a new heart later.

Zechariah 12:10
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
First of note, it's God pouring on them the spirit of grace and supplications. God first does something to them.
who's the them? the House of David (tribe of Judah), and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. That is, the tribe of Judah will be inhabiting Jerusalem. So yes, the modern Jews inhabiting Jerusalem. Furthermore they're the ones who pierced Jesus. The Roman governor washed his hands clean of that, and the Pharisees said Jesus' blood be upon them and their children (Matthew 27:24-25)
Finally it indicates the timing. Megiddon being Armageddon, the place where the beast gathers his armies. So this is a time of the end event, notably, the second coming.

So for the second coming, the tribe of Judah - that were responsible for the piercing of Jesus, would have to be inhabiting Jerusalem.

the Synagogue of Satan on the other hand.. don't live in Israel, they hate the Zionist cause as much as any Muslim.
 
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So the state of Israel fits that, gathered back into their own land in unbelief to be given a new heart later.
so, if God is going to do that.. not to all of them, but a third of a tenth of them.. (yes you have to interpret and multiply the percentages together)

why does God need me to be involved?

i wasn't going to say the things you said because well, this forum is an interesting one.
 
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