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I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

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BobRyan said:
God could easily "force Lucifer not to make a single mistake"
HE could also have "forced 1/3 of the angels to not join Lucifer"
He could have "Forced Eve not to make a bad choice"
He could have "forced Adam not to join Eve" and that would have saved all the lost humanity and all the suffering of Christ on the cross for the sins of all the world.

But He chose free will instead.

That means all the redeemed saints and all the sinless angels are there in heaven - in all of eternity, in the New Earth etc -- of their free will , loving God with all their heart and loving their neighbor as themselves --- not as part of a rigged-system but out of the abundant provision in the gospel and a "God of Love" who does not force beings to love or serve Him.
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I would ask why do you believe God has to force people to believe in him, once you have experienced his love and see him as he is, you will fall on your face with reverent worship, God doesn't need to force anyone.
The problem is that most people have so much darkness in them that they can't see him for who he is or they have been taught a false Jesus and they can't bring themselves to worship the false god that they have been told about or see in others who claim to know Jesus.
God/Jesus?Spirit are worth worship just because of who they are they do not need to force anyone, that's just the way we were created.
 
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BobRyan said:
It does not say "in justified terror"

God displays His love , His sacrifice for mankind, His repeated wave after wave of mercy.

The lost finally see life as it really is, God as He really is, sin as it really is, and they confess God is love, God did the right thing. It was Satan who was the liar and the wicked admit that they chose evil not righteousness. God's judgment is just. He is both loving and just.

Phil 2 does not say "claim you love Me or I will torture you some more".

Rather at the great White throne judgment in Rev 20 -- all is revealed. Satan's lies unmasked. The truth told and when all can be seen plainly even the wicked confess that God was right, He is loving, His way is just and it is just plain stupid the ideas that Satan came up with.

Yet their characters are unchanged, their love of self remains just a strong as it ever was - in the case of the wicked.
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Why do you think that " their characters are unchanged" ? Did not your character change when you saw Jesus for who he truly is? If so why would you think that they would be any different?
 
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Note through all Scripture the "character" , the "heart", the "actions" , the "thoughts, and the "life" of those who are not redeemed remains dark, evil, sinful, lost, unresponsive to God or to any goodness, as sin is practiced more and more rebelling against Jesus, opposed to all that Jesus stands for, rebelling against Jesus' Plan to save them, thus making themselves Jesus' enemy and our enemy forever lost, unless God Grants them Godly Sorrow Leading to stopping sinning .
 
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JulieB67 said:
The lake of fire was prepared for the devil and his angels. Meaning they have been judged. They are not in the book of life. So you're understanding of the verses below is way off. They are already set for the lake of fire that was prepared for them
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Agreed

When you find a single named person in the Bible said to be heading to the lake of fire let me know. All of orthodoxy has no such proof.

Praying for all people if you don't think it will happen is simply lack of faith
 
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Named in the Bible? "the son of perdition" ?


"Overview

In the Bible, several individuals and groups are described as being headed for destruction, often signifying a state of eternal separation from God. This includes Judas Iscariot, described as the "son of destruction". Additionally, the man of lawlessness, also known as the son of perdition, is destined for destruction. Finally, some biblical texts speak of a broader group of individuals who are described as headed for destruction due to their actions or choices.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Judas Iscariot:
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    In John 17:12, Jesus refers to Judas as "the son of perdition," a phrase that indicates his preordained role in betraying Jesus and his ultimate fate of destruction, fulfilling a prophecy.

  • The Man of Lawlessness (or Son of Perdition):
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    2 Thessalonians 2:3 speaks of the "man of lawlessness" or "son of destruction" who will be revealed before the second coming of Christ. This individual is associated with rebellion and lawlessness.

  • Other Individuals and Groups:
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    Several biblical passages, particularly in Revelation, depict groups and individuals who will face destruction due to their actions, such as those who persecute Christians, those who reject God's word, or those who cause destruction on the earth. The beast in Revelation, described as an eighth king, is also destined for destruction. Additionally, Philippians 3:19 describes those whose "end is destruction" and who prioritize earthly desires.
It's important to note that the concept of destruction in the Bible can refer to both physical death and spiritual separation from God, often understood as eternal damnation. The specific individuals and groups mentioned are often described as fulfilling a predetermined role or making choices that lead them to this outcome. "
 
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BelieveItOarKnot said:
When you find a single named person in the Bible said to be heading to the lake of fire let me know.
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We don't have to have names. We are told whosoever is not in the book of life will be thrown in. That sums it up completely. Again, the devils and angels that sinned are not in that book of life so it stands to reason that part of Judgment Day is not about them. They've already been judged and the lake of fire prepared.
 
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JulieB67 said:
We don't have to have names. We are told whosoever is not in the book of life will be thrown in.
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"We" have also been given the grace to pray for and hope for the very best for everyone:

-everyone who loves knows God and is born of God

1 John 4:7
 
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