I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

[timothyu]

The notions of people's will's prevailing over God's Divine Perfect Will are basic utter nonsense

Yet Eve chose to put her wants first , over the will of God for her own self- satisfaction, taking upon for herself knowledge that was offlimits and came with consequences. As a result all of mankind has followed suit putting all the various forms of ‘self’ ahead of the Will of God thus creating all the chaos in the world.
Self- centeredness has caused all the corruption in the system.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Yet Eve chose to put her wants first , over the will of God for her own self- satisfaction, taking upon for herself knowledge that was offlimits and came with consequences. As a result all of mankind has followed suit putting all the various forms of ‘self’ ahead of the Will of God thus creating all the chaos in the world.

Yet even Eve and her choice were in Gods plan, why else would scripture say that Jesus was crucified before the foundation of the world, God/Jesus/Spirit have a plan to share their love relationship. that they have had for all eternity, with us and have a creation that would be in that love relationship with them. That was Gods plan, 2 Cor 15:28 tells of the telos of the Trinity " that God would be all in all".
This process of multiple ages and progressive revelation is all part of the plan for God to be all in all at the end, we are still in the process of the plan.

 

[timothyu]

Yet even Eve and her choice were in Gods plan,

Hence God’s creation of the Tempter

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Hence God’s creation of the Tempter

Yup satan is just doing what he was created to do.

 

[Hoping2]

Eve putting her will ahead of the Will of God was the original sin

Eating the fruit was the sin.
That was the commandment that she broke.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Eating the fruit was the sin.
That was the commandment that she broke.

She was taught incorrectly, the punishment didn't come down until Adam sinned.

 

[Hoping2]

She was taught incorrectly,

Elaborate, please.

the punishment didn't come down until Adam sinned.

She would have eventually died, (the consequence of her choice to disobey), even if Adam has not also sinned.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Elaborate, please.

She would have eventually died, (the consequence of her choice to disobey), even if Adam has not also sinned.

Elaboration. She was taught an additional idea by Adam to "not touch the tree or she will die." The instructions from Father God was to not eat of it.

This addition by Adam illustrated that he didn't really trust her, which is also a sin.

The death was actually the consequence of being "like God" and having knowledge of Good and Evil within them.

It took almost 1000 years, but they both did die in the way we see it. However spiritually, they died as soon as this concept was introduced into them.

Until the knowledge of Good and Evil was inside humans, the idea of "a commandment" didn't exist.

 

[timothyu]

Eating the fruit was the sin.
That was the commandment that she broke.

And that required her to put her will ahead of the Will of God. The whole bible repeats God’s will first, not don’t eat fruit

 

[Hoping2]

Elaboration. She was taught an additional idea by Adam to "not touch the tree or she will die." The instructions from Father God was to not eat of it.

You will need to supply a scripture for that presumption..
Where she got the "touch not" portion of her saying, is not written

This addition by Adam illustrated that he didn't really trust her, which is also a sin.

Even the Law has no mention of the lack of trust being a sin.
You seem to making things up as you go,

The death was actually the consequence of being "like God" and having knowledge of Good and Evil within them.

More presumption.
How is dying "like God", who cannot die ?

It took almost 1000 years, but they both did die in the way we see it. However spiritually, they died as soon as this concept was introduced into them.

The death penalty was on them, the moment they ate the fruit.

Until the knowledge of Good and Evil was inside humans, the idea of "a commandment" didn't exist.

It's a good thing all of that has no bearing on our own lives in Christ.
Minutia concerning things from thousands of years ago, is just distractions to us now.

 

[Hoping2]

And that required her to put her will ahead of the Will of God.

I agree.

The whole bible repeats God’s will first, not don’t eat fruit

The bible's OT, is a series of instances where men disobey God, but God takes them back to Himself.
Now, in the NT, men get the final chance to reconcile with God, but this time there will be no second chances.
Jesus is our last chance !

 

[timothyu]

So then the question becomes what did anyone do for God today? Or are they unfruitfully dwelling on past or future religious events?

 

[Der Alte]

I want to get back to the OP. "I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom"
Various posters have found passages which, IMHO, are quoted out-of-context and which appear to say that all mankind sinner and saint alike will be saved. But I offer these passages.

Jeremiah 13:10​

(10) This evil people, [Israel] which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.​

Jeremiah 13:13-14​

(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.​

(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.​

Matthew 7:21-23​

(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.​

(22) Many [not a few] will say to me in that day, [judgement day] Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?​

(23) And then will I [Jesus speaking] profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

When Jesus says "never" He does not mean some day by and by.

Romans 1:24​

(24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:​

Romans 1:26​

(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:​

Romans 1:28​

(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;​

Last chapter no more death no more salvation. 16 vss. the end.

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.​

 

[Hoping2]

So then the question becomes what did anyone do for God today? Or are they unfruitfully dwelling on past or future religious events?

Personally, I remained free from sin for another day, to God's glory and honor.
And to the honor of the name of Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Yet Eve chose to put her wants first , over the will of God for her own self- satisfaction, taking upon for herself knowledge that was offlimits and came with consequences. As a result all of mankind has followed suit putting all the various forms of ‘self’ ahead of the Will of God thus creating all the chaos in the world.
Self- centeredness has caused all the corruption in the system.

Why not look at the "whole picture" on this subject?

We know for a certainty that Mark 4:15 happened to both Adam and Eve immediately after God Spoke to them.

So where is your accounting?

We also know that sins are not counted against people, 2 Cor. 5:19, so that angle of blaming either Adam, a son of God, Luke 3:38 or Eve is technically off the table.

Who then is left out of your picture? The answer is obvious. Just as the sights of your own sins will be missing the same very real perp.

 

[BobRyan]

So you think that God is like Kim Jung-un in that he forces people to worship him under compulsion and that God feels glorified in this manner.

Why do you believe that Jesus is way too incompetent to be able to persuade all beings to follow him?

God could easily "force Lucifer not to make a single mistake"
HE could also have "forced 1/3 of the angels to not join Lucifer"
He could have "Forced Eve not to make a bad choice"
He could have "forced Adam not to join Eve" and that would have saved all the lost humanity and all the suffering of Christ on the cross for the sins of all the world.

But He chose free will instead.

That means all the redeemed saints and all the sinless angels are there in heaven - in all of eternity, in the New Earth etc -- of their free will , loving God with all their heart and loving their neighbor as themselves --- not as part of a rigged-system but out of the abundant provision in the gospel and a "God of Love" who does not force beings to love or serve Him.

 

[BobRyan]

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That's a fair challenge regarding Philippians 2:10-11. While the verse itself doesn't explicitly say "terror," the idea that the unsaved confess in justified terror isn't an assumption. It's a clear inference when you read Philippians 2 alongside other Scriptures.

It does not say "in justified terror"

God displays His love , His sacrifice for mankind, His repeated wave after wave of mercy.

The lost finally see life as it really is, God as He really is, sin as it really is, and they confess God is love, God did the right thing. It was Satan who was the liar and the wicked admit that they chose evil not righteousness. God's judgment is just. He is both loving and just.

Phil 2 does not say "claim you love Me or I will torture you some more".

Rather at the great White throne judgment in Rev 20 -- all is revealed. Satan's lies unmasked. The truth told and when all can be seen plainly even the wicked confess that God was right, He is loving, His way is just and it is just plain stupid the ideas that Satan came up with.

Yet their characters are unchanged, their love of self remains just a strong as it ever was - in the case of the wicked.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Rather at the great White throne judgment in Rev 20 -- all is revealed. Satan's lies unmasked. The truth told and when all can be seen plainly even the wicked confess that God was right, He is loving, His way is just and it is just plain stupid the ideas that Satan came up with.

Yet their characters are unchanged, their love of self remains just a strong as it ever was - in the case of the wicked.

You know, it's quite unfortunate that you can see "people" and you can see "Satan" but you can't seem to put 2 and 2 together.

IF there is a person and there is the tempter or his own, there are "technically" 2 parties present in that arrangement. That is in fact what scripture presents.

It is generally accepted in theology that all people are in fact God's children.

The devils are not God's children. These are the ones that will be set aside at the end. And devils are not people. They just happen to be in the same pair of shoes that we wear.

All have sin. Romans 3:9
and
Sin is "of the devil," 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15

Granted, some are more blind than others, but all are at a minimum, partly blind in this present life. No one sees perfectly. No one understands PERFECTLY.

Better to think the best for every person, and damn the devils to hell.

There is a difference between the parties.

 

[JulieB67]

Better to think the best for every person, and damn the devils to hell.

The lake of fire was prepared for the devil and his angels. Meaning they have been judged. They are not in the book of life. So you're understanding of the verses below is way off. They are already set for the lake of fire that was prepared for them. But people will follow them there as we see in this verse

Matthew 25:41 "Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels :

Note, he's not talking to the devil and his angels.


Revelation 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works

Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

They were not in the book of life so common sense tells us this is about people, not the devil and his angels who again are already set for the lake of fire.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

God could easily "force Lucifer not to make a single mistake"
HE could also have "forced 1/3 of the angels to not join Lucifer"
He could have "Forced Eve not to make a bad choice"
He could have "forced Adam not to join Eve" and that would have saved all the lost humanity and all the suffering of Christ on the cross for the sins of all the world.

But He chose free will instead.

That means all the redeemed saints and all the sinless angels are there in heaven - in all of eternity, in the New Earth etc -- of their free will , loving God with all their heart and loving their neighbor as themselves --- not as part of a rigged-system but out of the abundant provision in the gospel and a "God of Love" who does not force beings to love or serve Him.

I would ask why do you believe God has to force people to believe in him, once you have experienced his love and see him as he is, you will fall on your face with reverent worship, God doesn't need to force anyone.
The problem is that most people have so much darkness in them that they can't see him for who he is or they have been taught a false Jesus and they can't bring themselves to worship the false god that they have been told about or see in others who claim to know Jesus.
God/Jesus?Spirit are worth worship just because of who they are they do not need to force anyone, that's just the way we were created.