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I beg you to make time today, or this weekend, to listen to Ross Douthat’s interview with AI researcher Daniel Kokotajlo, executive director of the AI Futures Project.
If you don’t have time to watch or listen, you can read a transcript here. Please do. It’s one of the most important things you’ll read or hear all year. The interview is based on this report from the AI Futures Project, which was founded after Kokotajlo, who used to work for Open AI, lost faith in the ability to and willingness of the industry to put safeguards around this immensely powerful emerging technology.
First, some lengthy excerpts from the interview. Here’s Kokotajlo:
Continued below.
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If you don’t have time to watch or listen, you can read a transcript here. Please do. It’s one of the most important things you’ll read or hear all year. The interview is based on this report from the AI Futures Project, which was founded after Kokotajlo, who used to work for Open AI, lost faith in the ability to and willingness of the industry to put safeguards around this immensely powerful emerging technology.
First, some lengthy excerpts from the interview. Here’s Kokotajlo:
Continued below.

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