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The return of Christ in Sept of 2040

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Who cares what Isaac Newton said; he knew as much as anyone else.
Newton knew more than anyone else. He knew more than he wanted to say.
In post #85 you said that, Isaac Newton said that he saw no reason for it to be before 2060.
He wrote a note to the public when he said he saw no reason for it to be before 2060.

How did Newton arrive at the date 2060?

This did not involve the use of anything as complicated as calculus, which he invented, but rather simple arithmetic that could be performed by a child.

This is his note I called convoluted. He is measuring 1260 years from three kings, the first 3 Popes, until the second coming. It's not really a Biblical method. It reads like something made up to throw certain people off. It sounds like he was fabricating a date so far away into the future that it would put a stop to people predicting the time of the end.

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, recconing twelve months to a yeare & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived [sic] kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060. It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons wch God hath put into his own breast. - Isaac Newton​
A few sentences later you said, "Newton knew that it would be around our times, now."
Because he wrote another note, which is a Biblically stated count of weeks, which did not become public until 1969. That material contradicted his 2060 date, which appears to have been written, not as a prediction of the end of the world, but to "put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail."
Which is it - now, or in 35 years time?
It reads to me like Newton knew it would be happening around right now. He would have been looking for 1969, and then around right now. I myself would be on guard for the earliest date. That would be the date I would default to.

Right now, I would be more worried about people saying 2040, or 2030, and then it happens now. We should not be in darkness, so that this Day should overtake us as a thief.
 
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I think a lot of people are going to be shocked just how soon it is going to happen. I'm not going to dive into the subject too deep, but I can say I am of the very strong opinion that at 2040 you are overshooting by leaps and bounds.

Just for anyone that isn't ready to go who may be reading these speculations, I would suggest having your bags packed (aka being/getting right with God through His Son Jesus) today. (regardless what anyone says about anything)

I wouldn't let anyone whisper a sense of complicity into you that there is "plenty of time" before Christ Jesus returns for His bride. There are numerous signs and they all add up to what Christ described, and yes... scoffers, and plenty of them inside and outside the body of Christ. It is better to be safe than sorry, especially concerning our eternal soul. Plus, finding out you were late for this is the worst thing in life to ever be late for. The capital "T" Tribulation is not going to be a picnic.

2040, I'm going to just give my simple vote on "nope." I think we need to be ready to ride a lot sooner.

Matthew 24:48
But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’

I don't assume that anyone intends to do the things described after this verse, but for anyone that stumbles on this thread needing salvation, or who is not ready... I wouldn't wait to start getting ready. I would do it now, not later.

Revelations 16:15

“Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
 
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Newton knew more than anyone else. He knew more than he wanted to say.
He didn't know more than Jesus.
And he might have known more than many in his day - he could still be wrong.
He wrote a note to the public when he said he saw no reason for it to be before 2060.
So why did you say that he expected it to be around "our time, now"?
This did not involve the use of anything as complicated as calculus, which he invented, but rather simple arithmetic that could be performed by a child.
That's the whole point - "no one knows the day or hour" means just that. It does not mean "but clever people can work it out"; it's only our human pride that makes us think that we can.

This is his note I called convoluted. He is measuring 1260 years from three kings, the first 3 Popes, until the second coming. It's not really a Biblical method.
None of it's Biblical as far as I can see.
No one knows the day or hour. Be ready and trust God; that's all we need to know.

It sounds like he was fabricating a date so far away into the future that it would put a stop to people predicting the time of the end.
Exactly!
Hasn't worked, has it?
It reads to me like Newton knew it would be happening around right now.
Well he obviously didn't.
He would have been looking for 1969, and then around right now. I myself would be on guard for the earliest date. That would be the date I would default to.

Right now, I would be more worried about people saying 2040, or 2030, and then it happens now. We should not be in darkness, so that this Day should overtake us as a thief.
He would have been looking for 1969,
I doubt it.
How can anyone "look ahead" to an event that will take place 250+ years after they are alive?

and then around right now. I myself would be on guard for the earliest date. That would be the date I would default to.
Default to for what?
People have been setting dates since forever; none have been correct.
 
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He didn't know more than Jesus.
And he might have known more than many in his day - he could still be wrong.
I obviously don't think he did either. I don't know what Jesus knew during the Olivet Discourse. He said he was only speaking the words given to Him by the Father.

But Newton knew more than any of us. And only God gives the wisdom to the wise, so I wouldn't be so quick to oppose Newton.
So why did you say that he expected it to be around "our time, now"?
He was writing his Daniel 9 commentary sometime in the 1700's. Those writings were kept from the public eye until 1969, when Yehuda got them out of the courts and brought them to Jerusalem. Newton wrote about something that happened in the 1500's, which would begin the countdown to 1969, and then 2018. And 2025, and 2026.

In his note on Daniel 9 he wrote about another command to restore Jerusalem which would extend down to the end times:

"it may perhaps come forth not from the Jews themselves, but from some other kingdom friendly to them, and precede their return from captivity, and give occasion to it."​

Because he was writing in the 1700's, he would have known about the Ottoman decree to restore Jerusalem in the 1500's, which I think he was making reference to here: "Not from the Jews themselves, but from some other kingdom friendly to them. "And precede their return from captivity, and give occasion to it. (1948).
That's the whole point - "no one knows the day or hour" means just that. It does not mean "but clever people can work it out"; it's only our human pride that makes us think that we can.
I actually don't want to know the day and hour. I would be satisfied with the year, or the season.

"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing:​
but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.​
None of it's Biblical as far as I can see.
No one knows the day or hour. Be ready and trust God; that's all we need to know.
I obviously agree. Not even the angels. Not even the Son of Man. But I bet Jesus knows it's getting very close now.

Only the Father in Heaven can know the day and the hour. Because Jesus would never blot our names out from the Book of Life. But it was the Father Who wrote them in the Book in the first place from before the foundation of the universe. Some of those names are still coming through the pipeline now. We're just waiting for some of our brothers, and our fellow servants.
Exactly!
Hasn't worked, has it?
It did. Because even now, to this very day, Isaac Newton's note about 2060, is throwing people off. It's still putting:

"a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons wch God hath put into his own breast. - Isaac Newton​

Especially someone like Newton. If someone like Newton spelled it all out in specific detail, many would be taking him seriously. He was concerned that he might violate Jesus being able to come as a thief in the night.

I think the similar thing, even though I'm just Dave. Now probably is not the time to bring out the empirical. Not everyone has the constitution for it.
Well he obviously didn't.
Wait for it.
I doubt it.
How can anyone "look ahead" to an event that will take place 250+ years after they are alive?
He did it.

There's multiple verifications. Newton would have loved to see one of our days. Especially 1969. That was rock and roll time for the signs.
Default to for what?
People have been setting dates since forever; none have been correct.
So right now we're talking about 2060, 2040, 2030, 2026, 2025.

I default to the earliest date, that way I won't be late.
 
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But Newton knew more than any of us. And only God gives the wisdom to the wise, so I wouldn't be so quick to oppose Newton.
He knew more about physics than I do, that's for sure. But we weren't talking about that.
As for Christ's return: if he was a Christian, he's now with God. Not only is the earth still here but millions have been born and died since his day - Wesley, Spurgeon, Booth, John Wimber, Billy Graham, etc etc. Had it not been so, we wouldn't be here and we would never have heard the Gospel.
Newton wrote about something that happened in the 1500's, which would begin the countdown to 1969,
Like what?
What, and when, was the "countdown" to 1969, and what was supposed to have happened in that year?
and then 2018.
If there was a "countdown" to 1969, then 1969 was year zero - the year "it" should have happened.
And if by "it" he meant Jesus' return; it didn't happen. End of prophecy; false teacher.
Saying, "it'll happen in 1969, but if it doesn't, there's always 2018 - and then 2025 or 2026" is hedging one's bets, big time. Not that Newton would have been alive to see it anyway.
What was supposed to have happened in 2018?
And 2025, and 2026.
As "it" didn't happen on two of the dates that Newton spoke about, what makes you think the other two will be any more accurate?
And Newton isn't around to account for his teachings anyway.
In his note on Daniel 9 he wrote about another command to restore Jerusalem which would extend down to the end times:
In his opinion.
I actually don't want to know the day and hour. I would be satisfied with the year, or the season.
I don't believe we can know that either - supposing you never know?
"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing:​
but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.​
It's not "honour" to search out what God has chosen to conceal from us, it's pride. It's the earliest of sins; Lucifer thought he could become greater than God, Adam thought he could be like God, the builders of the tower of Babel likewise thought they could be like God. Centuries later, Herod refused to set people straight when they worshipped him as a God - and he was struck down and died.
I obviously agree. Not even the angels. Not even the Son of Man. But I bet Jesus knows it's getting very close now.
Conjecture.
There's no way you can make a bet with the Son of God over his return to earth.
Only the Father in Heaven can know the day and the hour.
Which was a Hebrew way of saying "you can never know." And it's not for us to know.

Because Jesus would never blot our names out from the Book of Life. But it was the Father Who wrote them in the Book in the first place from before the foundation of the universe. Some of those names are still coming through the pipeline now. We're just waiting for some of our brothers, and our fellow servants.​
More conjecture.
How do you know people weren't saying the same things a century ago?
It did. Because even now, to this very day, Isaac Newton's note about 2060, is throwing people off.
What puts people off is that some - in the name of Christianity - make "predictions" which fail and make Christians look bad.
Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons wch God hath put into his own breast. - Isaac Newton
Exactly!
Newton himself said that we cannot know the times or seasons - although Jesus said it first.
Wait for it.
Well he's failed twice so far.
He did it.
No, he didn't.
A lot of OT prophets prophesied about the Messiah (Jesus') coming - but they didn't know when.
Moses didn't say "it will be 1000 years after I die, in the year ...." Nor did David, Isaiah or Jeremiah.
If there was supposed to have been a "countdown to 1969", that was 56 years ago. Even 2018 was 7 years ago. And there are only 5 months of this year left.
So right now we're talking about 2060, 2040, 2030, 2026, 2025.
You are, yes.
I default to the earliest date, that way I won't be late.
If you say so.
As long as you're not spending so much time looking into the sky that you miss what the Lord is doing on the ground.
 
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Jesus will return in Glory and Power in Sept of 2040. The days of Adam began in 3890 BC with Isaac born in 1910 BC, with the Exodus in 1479 BC. With the crossing of the Jordan in 1440 BC. With Solomon's Temple dedicated in 950 BC. With the destruction of that Temple in 530 BC. With the Resurrection of our Lord in 31 AD, and with the coming of the 121st Jubilee in Sept of 2040.

The intervals above are consistent with Jubilees and there are only 120 Jubilees given to the dominion of Man (Genesis 6:3). Time is short.

2040? Hot diggity dog, we got time yet to eat, drink and be merry while He tarry!

Seriously, one must be pretty special to be given a date when Jesus doesn't know it. But hey, that's His humility before His Father.

Truth is, Jesus is coming for us all the *instant* we breathe our last. Today is the end times for every individual, because tomorrow isn't guaranteed.

He is coming soon, indeed.

God bless!
 
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And he might have known more than many in his day - he could still be wrong.
If Newton can be wrong, not I, but my read on the materials, could be wrong as well. As I constantly review them, I can't see where my read is erroneous.
So why did you say that he expected it to be around "our time, now"?
The first I ever heard it mentioned was on this Christian Forums. A member called Interplanner just asked a simple question about it in 2014. Sometimes these forums can be virtual idea factories.
Like what?
What, and when, was the "countdown" to 1969, and what was supposed to have happened in that year?
It did happen. There's more than one source of archeological evidence.
If there was a "countdown" to 1969, then 1969 was year zero - the year "it" should have happened.
I'm still very sure that it did happen. I constantly review the materials.
What was supposed to have happened in 2018?
The end came.

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.​

Thanks John. You can shake the dust off your sandals Brother. The end of the Gospel being preached by mankind, to the ends of the earth.. Then another John, John the Apostle, showed up to measure the Inner court. At that point the power was given to the Two Witnesses who stand before the Lord of the whole earth.
Moses didn't say "it will be 1000 years after I die, in the year ...." Nor did David, Isaiah or Jeremiah.
Daniel did. He wrote that from the going forth of the decree to restore Jerusalem, it would be 7 and 62 weeks, until Messiah the Prince.
If there was supposed to have been a "countdown to 1969", that was 56 years ago. Even 2018 was 7 years ago. And there are only 5 months of this year left.
Yes there are. So we must be getting close, or are even closer than we think. If it were to happen even before then, it would not surprise me. It must be happening now. Another guy writes the "weeks" has to do with the feast of weeks, of Shavuot, or Pentecost. That means into 2026? I don't know about that. I doubt it would be on an exact feast day. Pope Gregory switched New Years Day from April to January after our starting point, so it might go to April. I don't know about that. I wouldn't count on it.

I wrote a very long note on another forum last weekend with an update on the empirical. I noticed a new twist on the materials, even Newton had mentioned it as "the compass of a Jubilee". And on another little forum which has gone out of business, I remember a member writing how the prophetic time periods have been reversed in our end times and are a "reverse mirror image" of the originals. I see two reasons why this was done. Because the 69 week interval is already split up for us as 7 and 62 weeks, like Newton suggested, the time frames may be used individually, or interchangeably, with the 7 weeks preceding Messiah's second Visitation. Therefore being the "compass of a Jubilee."

One guy got mad, and among other things, accused me of having a "private interpretation". Lol. I don't think he understands what Paul meant when he wrote the private interpretation verse. Some translations are misleading. Paul wasn't talking about your, or my interpretation as readers of the Bible Prophecy, he was talking about the Bible writers of the prophecy, not having their own interpretation of it. Even the AI on my Brave Browser seems to get it wrong. AI just really is digesting what it sees already written which is popular on the Net. Private interpretation really means of "private origin".

Inn this case, KJV is best:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.​

I mention this as it's a coincidence, Ebed did a fine explanation of "private interpretation" in the thread where Interplanner mentioned our starting point:


Interplanner Oct. 13, 2014:


Peaceful Sabbath.
 
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If Newton can be wrong, not I, but my read on the materials, could be wrong as well. As I constantly review them, I can't see where my read is erroneous.

The first I ever heard it mentioned was on this Christian Forums. A member called Interplanner just asked a simple question about it in 2014. Sometimes these forums can be virtual idea factories.

It did happen. There's more than one source of archeological evidence.

I'm still very sure that it did happen. I constantly review the materials.

The end came.

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.​

Thanks John. You can shake the dust off your sandals Brother. The end of the Gospel being preached by mankind, to the ends of the earth.. Then another John, John the Apostle, showed up to measure the Inner court. At that point the power was given to the Two Witnesses who stand before the Lord of the whole earth.

Daniel did. He wrote that from the going forth of the decree to restore Jerusalem, it would be 7 and 62 weeks, until Messiah the Prince.

Yes there are. So we must be getting close, or are even closer than we think. If it were to happen even before then, it would not surprise me. It must be happening now. Another guy writes the "weeks" has to do with the feast of weeks, of Shavuot, or Pentecost. That means into 2026? I don't know about that. I doubt it would be on an exact feast day. Pope Gregory switched New Years Day from April to January after our starting point, so it might go to April. I don't know about that. I wouldn't count on it.

I wrote a very long note on another forum last weekend with an update on the empirical. I noticed a new twist on the materials, even Newton had mentioned it as "the compass of a Jubilee". And on another little forum which has gone out of business, I remember a member writing how the prophetic time periods have been reversed in our end times and are a "reverse mirror image" of the originals. I see two reasons why this was done. Because the 69 week interval is already split up for us as 7 and 62 weeks, like Newton suggested, the time frames may be used individually, or interchangeably, with the 7 weeks preceding Messiah's second Visitation. Therefore being the "compass of a Jubilee."

One guy got mad, and among other things, accused me of having a "private interpretation". Lol. I don't think he understands what Paul meant when he wrote the private interpretation verse. Some translations are misleading. Paul wasn't talking about your, or my interpretation as readers of the Bible Prophecy, he was talking about the Bible writers of the prophecy, not having their own interpretation of it. Even the AI on my Brave Browser seems to get it wrong. AI just really is digesting what it sees already written which is popular on the Net. Private interpretation really means of "private origin".

Inn this case, KJV is best:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.​

I mention this as it's a coincidence, Ebed did a fine explanation of "private interpretation" in the thread where Interplanner mentioned our starting point:


Interplanner Oct. 13, 2014:


Peaceful Sabbath.
And Matt 24:36 and Mark 13:32 says that no one and not even the angels know when Christ is coming back!!
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If Newton can be wrong, not I, but my read on the materials, could be wrong as well.
Yes, Newton could have been wrong and yes it is a distinct possibility you could be wrong too.
As I constantly review them, I can't see where my read is erroneous.
Your reading may not be - your interpretation of what you are reading, could well be.
The first I ever heard it mentioned was on this Christian Forums. A member called Interplanner just asked a simple question about it in 2014.
I've been a member of this forum for 20 years. In that time, many people have given dates for Christ's return or played "spot the antichrist". All have been wrong.
It did happen. There's more than one source of archeological evidence.
What "did happen"? It wasn't Jesus' return, that's for sure.
If the end had come 7 years ago, we wouldn't be here.
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.​
The end of what?
And why do you say that happened in 2018?
Thanks John. You can shake the dust off your sandals Brother. The end of the Gospel being preached by mankind, to the ends of the earth.. Then another John, John the Apostle, showed up to measure the Inner court. At that point the power was given to the Two Witnesses who stand before the Lord of the whole earth.
I don't know what you mean by that.
Yes there are. So we must be getting close, or are even closer than we think.
Why?
The Apostles thought that Jesus was going to return in their lifetime. Almost 2000 years later, people are still saying that the end is near.
It must be happening now.​
What must - Jesus must be returning to earth?
Why MUST it be happening?
I wrote a very long note on another forum last weekend with an update on the empirical. I noticed a new twist on the materials, even Newton had mentioned it as "the compass of a Jubilee". And on another little forum which has gone out of business, I remember a member writing how the prophetic time periods have been reversed in our end times and are a "reverse mirror image" of the originals. I see two reasons why this was done. Because the 69 week interval is already split up for us as 7 and 62 weeks, like Newton suggested, the time frames may be used individually, or interchangeably, with the 7 weeks preceding Messiah's second Visitation. Therefore being the "compass of a Jubilee."
I don't know what all that means.
I don't know why humans think they are able to work out God's timetable and know things that he has chosen not to reveal to us.
One guy got mad, and among other things, accused me of having a "private interpretation". Lol. I don't think he understands what Paul meant when he wrote the private interpretation verse.
I don't think any of you know what Jesus meant when he said that "no one knows the day or hour" - it certainly wasn't, "but you can, and should, work out the year or season."
Inn this case, KJV is best:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.​
The KJV that Jesus used?
I doubt it.

Interplanner Oct. 13, 2014:
Whatever someone said in 2014, it is now 2025.
 
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Yes, Newton could have been wrong and yes it is a distinct possibility you could be wrong too.
I'll be surprised if I am. Like newton said, "let time be the interpreter".

There's a few videos of this Young Hoon Kim fellow going around. More like videos of his video. The sub titles don't match his voice. I can understand him fine without them. But I agree with the Brother. He says: "He is at the door. "Jesus Christ is God, and He is returning now".

That's what I said in the thread. It has to be happening now.

He gives wisdom to the wise.

The world’s smartest man with a 276 confirmed IQ says that Jesus will return in our generation.​


 
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And Matt 24:36 and Mark 13:32 says that no one and not even the angels know when Christ is coming back!!
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That seems be a wildly unpopular Scripture.
 
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Well, I hate to contradict one of my Koren brehtren, especially when he's the smartest dude on the planet, but he's contradicting our LOrd. If I'm wrong, my bro can sort me out when we meet in Heaven.
 
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