Florida Republican Says Abortion Law Fear Delayed Her Care for Ectopic Pregnancy

A New Dawn said:

I’m sorry, I asked for other examples of this happening when you made that comment to me and you posted (at least in response to my request) nothing. Please repost or post the post number where you actually posted those examples. Thanks.

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A New Dawn said:

Again you are coming to conclusions not in evidence in the article. The article doesn’t mention motivations for the harassment.

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A New Dawn said:

How do you know what doctors do?

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A New Dawn said:

Are you a doctor?

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A New Dawn said:

Have you ever worked with doctors?

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A New Dawn said:

Have you ever worked in a large city medical center?

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A New Dawn said:

You appear to be just assuming things on a grand scale with nothing to support your position.

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NxNW said:

I was just at the doctor yesterday.

No. Are you?

Yes.

No.

I ask again: Do you have one single example of a doctor delaying or denying treatment because of protesters?

Or are you just making things up?

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A New Dawn said:

So you have no evidence to suggest to you that doctors don’t, or shouldn't, take issues that might result in legal issues for them, into consideration when addressing care concerns for their patient?

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A New Dawn said:

That is patently ridiculous.

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A New Dawn said:

I have cared for a multitude of patients with a multitude of legal/ethical issues where treatment was delayed till the lawyers could either go to court or resolve things privately with the family before treatment progressed. You are just naive or too biased to think that something like this doesn’t fall into that category.

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NxNW said:

I never said that.

Your trying to put words in my mouth is ridiculous.

I'm still waiting for an example that was a result of protesters. You keep trying to change the subject.

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A New Dawn said:

This lack of ability to understand what goes on in hospitals on an daily basis

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A New Dawn said:

and you contradicting the statement the patient made in the article based on your biased viewpoint is evidence you are not here for a serious discussion.

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Pommer said:

Like leftist protesters infiltrating Emergency Departments, handing out flyers and generally being underfoot?



We often talk past one another when we’re mostly in agreement, on a topic where the lines are (usually) clearly well defined…perhaps this has happened here but we’re so caught up in “fighting the good fight” that we may miss it when it happens?

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A New Dawn said:

It’s comments like this where you are clearly making things up out of thin air that get in the way of discussing things without animosity. Talking past each other is one thing that, unfortunately, is to be expected, but to accuse someone of saying something they clearly never said (except in your mind) is more harmful to the discussion.

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Pommer said:

Okay then let us rehash the discussion.

All agree that this woman went to the ER with a medical condition that gave pause to medical staff as to how best to proceed and after a few hours delay, the woman got the care that she needed.

What else was there to discuss?

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NxNW said:

And yet I posted examples of it happening.

Obviously it doesn't, because women are dying because of these laws, as you admitted above.

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A New Dawn said:

I didn’t start the thread so I don’t know what the person who did thought there was to discuss. As a nurse, I joined the discussion to speak about the differences between emergency medical procedures designed to save someone’s life when it is in danger and elective procedures, and how the laws governing abortion are directed towards elective abortion because doctors have always had the right to perform procedures necessary to save lives.

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Pommer said:

The “issue” seems to have been:
[Cammack] told the newspaper that she did not blame the Florida law for what she experienced. Rather, she lay the blame on messaging from abortion-rights advocates, which she said made hospital staff afraid of giving drugs even in circumstances where it was legal.

Cammack’s scapegoating of abortion-rights activists, which is odd, considering that they’d want pregnancy termination options for all women, not just those with a life-threatening conditions.

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A New Dawn said:

This lack of ability to understand what goes on in hospitals on an daily basis and you contradicting the statement the patient made in the article based on your biased viewpoint is evidence you are not here for a serious discussion.

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Pommer said:

Okay then let us rehash the discussion.

All agree that this woman went to the ER with a medical condition that gave pause to medical staff as to how best to proceed and after a few hours delay, the woman got the care that she needed.

What else was there to discuss?

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chilehed said:

The incoherence of your reasoning (so-called) can't possibly be demonstrated more clearly than you've done here. Well done.

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A New Dawn said:

So I see you read minds, too, to know what people are thinking. Maybe, just maybe, things are just as she said because it’s not unheard of for abortion rights activists to be overly zealous in their activisting.

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NxNW said:

In other words, doctors delayed treatment because of protesters? You keep claiming that, but nobody with half a brain believes that.

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NxNW said:

In other words, doctors delayed treatment because of protesters? You keep claiming that, but nobody with half a brain believes that.

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