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dogs4thewin said:
If you need help and qualify you can still get it this just makes it to where people cannot or at least will have a MUCH harder time getting on if they are abusig the system work requirements, many non-cititzens ECT.
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Yeah, sure. You know it's not about that. It's about how to save money without affecting those in power/with money. If it weren't for their supporters who depend on that same aid, they would have cut it all out. They fed the public a line, and you are repeating it. I have no idea why.
 
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rjs330 said:
Thats not what the breakdown shows.
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H.R. 1 makes significant changes to the Medicaid/Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), Medicare and Affordable Care Act (ACA). Changes include new requirements states must meet to maintain federal support for the Medicaid programs, as well as more strict criteria beneficiaries must meet to qualify for and maintain enrollment in federal healthcare programs.
 
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JosephZ said:
The breakdown by the Congressional Budget Office shows that poor and vulnerable get less while the wealthy get more. The reports show show that the bottom 20% of earners will receive less than 5% of tax cut benefits while also facing losses from Medicaid and SNAP reductions and the top 1% will see tax savings averaging $50,000–$100,000 annually. The top 1% would also benefit from estate tax changes and business incentives.

The changes would not be evenly distributed among households. The agency estimates that in general, resources would decrease for households toward the bottom of the income distribution, whereas resources would increase for households in the middle and top of the income distribution.

Resources for households in the lowest decile of the income distribution would decrease by about $1,600 per year (in 2025 dollars) compared with their projected income in CBO’s baseline projections (see Figure 1).5 That amounts to 3.9 percent of their income (see Figure 2). Those projected decreases are mainly attributable to reductions in in-kind transfers, such as Medicaid and
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I see the problem. A lack of paying attention. The rich get the smallest amount of tax cuts while those that earn less have the highest tax cut.

The fact is those that earn less keep more of their money than the rich do. The fact that rhe rich have more money to begin with is irrelevant to the process. Say a rich person gets a 3% cut while income of a 50000 earners get 7%. The lower income earner get double the cut the rich got.

7% is certainly a lesser amount than 3% in full dollars.

Let's be honest. You and most of those on the left want NO tax cut for the rich or an actual tax increase. Well, you aren't going to get it.

The FACT is lower earners will keep more of their money.

Medicaid has not been cut. Those that need it will have it.
 
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Akita Suggagaki said:
H.R. 1 makes significant changes to the Medicaid/Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), Medicare and Affordable Care Act (ACA). Changes include new requirements states must meet to maintain federal support for the Medicaid programs, as well as more strict criteria beneficiaries must meet to qualify for and maintain enrollment in federal healthcare programs.
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The strict requirements are meant to ensure that no one is getting the benefit that does not need it (that is to say is abusing the system) Yes, everyone needs healthcare, but the program is designed to help certain people get it if a person is able to work and does not then they do not deserve the help. If someone is PURPOSEFULLY claiming that they earn less than they do they do not deserve the help. On the other hand if they cannot work AND have limited resources then sure they should get assistance.
 
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JosephZ said:
The breakdown by the Congressional Budget Office shows that poor and vulnerable get less while the wealthy get more. The reports show show that the bottom 20% of earners will receive less than 5% of tax cut benefits while also facing losses from Medicaid and SNAP reductions and the top 1% will see tax savings averaging $50,000–$100,000 annually. The top 1% would also benefit from estate tax changes and business incentives.

The changes would not be evenly distributed among households. The agency estimates that in general, resources would decrease for households toward the bottom of the income distribution, whereas resources would increase for households in the middle and top of the income distribution.

Resources for households in the lowest decile of the income distribution would decrease by about $1,600 per year (in 2025 dollars) compared with their projected income in CBO’s baseline projections (see Figure 1).5 That amounts to 3.9 percent of their income (see Figure 2). Those projected decreases are mainly attributable to reductions in in-kind transfers, such as Medicaid and
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I see the problem. The rich get the smallest amount of tax cuts while those that earn less have the highest tax cut.

In total dollars the rich keep more because they pay more. 3% of 3 million is more money than 7% of 40,000.

I know the left wants the rich to not get a cut and want them to get an increase. But already pay the most taxes. The amount that they pay is far more than anyone else.

Those $1600 reductions in income will be made up by work requirements and more. Working 20 hours a week will give them far more then $1600 a year and will get them involved in the work force allowing them to create even greater amounts of income later. And SNAP recipients will have no reduction due to state matching requirement.

We'll see if this works out or not. The sky is falling projections and the constant drumbeat of the "rich dont pay their dairy share" are a bit old now. Especially the latter. Been going on for as long as I remember.
 
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Akita Suggagaki said:
H.R. 1 makes significant changes to the Medicaid/Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), Medicare and Affordable Care Act (ACA). Changes include new requirements states must meet to maintain federal support for the Medicaid programs, as well as more strict criteria beneficiaries must meet to qualify for and maintain enrollment in federal healthcare programs.
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Thats not a cut.
 
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rjs330 said:
Thats not a cut.
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The GOP, Trump/Congress and those who support the bill counted it as a spending cut to offset their tax reductions. They lied?
 
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After deleting his exultant reply, Rep. Van Orden later clarified that he replied to the wrong tweet.
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Akita Suggagaki said:
It wasn't the economy that sunk her. It was the border and culture war issues,
"The Big Lie" is that Trump really won over Biden. There is no undoing that moniker. They are forever linked.
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The culture war is something that isn't accidental, like two sides just happen to show up and shoot each other in some kind of encounter engagement gone wrong . It's been carefully built up by billionaire oligarchs to enrich themselves at public expense. It's what happens when wealth is unmoored from any kind of moral discernment, and a society blesses it as "progress", "unleashing the market", and "disruption".
 
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