The Big Beautiful Bill shall became Law

[trophy33]

I think that nobody here really knows. The bill has almost 1,000 pages (for comparison - it is a similar length to Bible). People repeat titles, marketing phrases, their favorite commentators or pinpoint some few sentences they heard somewhere about it.

It would require several deep professional analyses without partisan bias. And time will tell - years, a decade.

 

[Postvieww]

This bill, once signed into law, will add trillions to the national debt and impact almost every American in a negative way in the coming years. It's not something to celebrate.

Were you concerned when Democrats added trillions to the debt? Or did you applaud them?

 

[ozso]

I think that nobody here really knows. The bill has almost 1,000 pages (for comparison - it is a similar length to Bible). People repeat titles, marketing phrases, their favorite commentators or pinpoint some few sentences they heard somewhere about it.

It would require several deep professional analyses without partisan bias. And time will tell - years, a decade.

Needless to say lots of people go by what they're told by Whoopi or whomever, rather than by what they actually know.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

If the economy under the Biden administration was good, then Kamala Harris would have won the election. I am not believing "the big lie."

It wasn't the economy that sunk her. It was the border and culture war issues,
"The Big Lie" is that Trump really won over Biden. There is no undoing that moniker. They are forever linked.

 

[rjs330]

Here is a good breakdown of the bill, without the political handwringing and doom and gloom predictions from the left wing media.

https://www.hklaw.com/-/media/files...1572a11&hash=3377E3203E08BD624CC392646F0792E1

You can see for yourself.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Here is a good breakdown of the bill, without the political handwringing and doom and gloom predictions from the left wing media.

https://www.hklaw.com/-/media/files...1572a11&hash=3377E3203E08BD624CC392646F0792E1

You can see for yourself.

Bottom line is that the poor and vulnerable get less while the wealthy get more.

 

[Fantine]

Holland & Knight is one of the mega law firms targeted for threats by Trump, who was annoyed that some firms were handling cases challenging his executive orders.

And as this article shows, Holland & Knight caved completely--thus making any reports they issued since suspicious. Caving to threats. Stooping to the level of the person making the threats. So sad.

This Law Firm Had To Delete A LOT To Purge Its Diversity And Pro Bono Work - Above the Law

Firms that committed the most to advancing the profession are among the most aggressive when it comes to pulling up the ladder behind them.

abovethelaw.com

Another firm that’s trying to hide the initiatives it long celebrated is Holland & Knight. And unlike some firms erasing a couple bullet points, Holland & Knight had to take a substantial hammer to their website to make it happen!
Headlining their expertise in handling arbitrary executive orders! Diversity & Inclusion! Community! Women’s Initiative! The firm boasted quite an identity on April 11.

Today it’s a little different.

It’s not like Trump’s executive orders have slowed at all. But more to the point, the whole menu of firm community policies has disappeared. Let’s check out what the firm doesn’t want folks to see.

The Community Commitment page used to hype the firm’s “Public and Charitable Service Department,” an entity designed “to integrate the firm’s global pro bono (Opens in a new window), community service (Opens in a new window) and charitable giving (Opens in a new window) initiatives to make deeper investments in communities in need.” All three of those linked landing pages now redirect to the homepage. Apparently “giving to charity” is too hot for the firm in this environment. On the other hand, I guess the DOJ is using charitable donations to label firms threats to national security (Opens in a new window).

The Diversity and Inclusion page is also a redirect. The page used to discuss the firm’s Diversity Council and office committees, recruiting initiatives, training programs for women in the profession, mentoring programs, a host of video and podcast resources, and a lengthy recitation of accolades:

 

[DaisyDay]

I don't believe in the estimates or the predictions from the KFF.

Can you factually dispute any of the claims made? Or do you just disagree because you dislike it?

 

[rjs330]

Bottom line is that the poor and vulnerable get less while the wealthy get more.

Thats not what the breakdown shows.

 

[DaisyDay]

Bottom line is that the poor and vulnerable get less while the wealthy get more.

God bless the child that's got its own!

 

[rjs330]

Holland & Knight is one of the mega law firms targeted for threats by Trump, who was annoyed that some firms were handling cases challenging his executive orders.

And as this article shows, Holland & Knight caved completely--thus making any reports they issued since suspicious. Caving to threats. Stooping to the level of the person making the threats. So sad.

This Law Firm Had To Delete A LOT To Purge Its Diversity And Pro Bono Work - Above the Law

Firms that committed the most to advancing the profession are among the most aggressive when it comes to pulling up the ladder behind them.

abovethelaw.com

Do you have any facts to dispute the breakdown? Because the breakdown just lists what is being done. It gives no political opinion.

So thats why its good. Just information, just facts.

There's no cut to medicaid.

 

[Fantine]

Do you have any facts to dispute the breakdown? Because the breakdown just lists what is being done. It gives no political opinion.

So thats why its good. Just information, just facts.

There's no cut to medicaid.

How do you save $900 million in Medicaid without cuts? It's arithmetic. Wow! I guess I debunked one fact already.
Holland & Knight allowed themselves to dismantle compassionate programs, pro-bono, and DEI after being threatened. They have joined the big group of "yes men" who allow themselves to be manipulated--along with every Republican in Congress, Columbia University, and some media.

Threatened, sued. Welcome to the age of authoritarianism.

 

[dogs4thewin]

How do you save $900 million in Medicaid without cuts? It's arithmetic. Wow! I guess I debunked one fact already.
Holland & Knight allowed themselves to dismantle compassionate programs, pro-bono, and DEI after being threatened. They have joined the big group of "yes men" who allow themselves to be manipulated--along with every Republican in Congress, Columbia University, and some media.

Threatened, sued. Welcome to the age of authoritarianism.

You can cut the people who qualify which would lead to fewer people receiving benefits which saves money.

 

[rjs330]

How do you save $900 million in Medicaid without cuts? It's arithmetic. Wow! I guess I debunked one fact already.
Holland & Knight allowed themselves to dismantle compassionate programs, pro-bono, and DEI after being threatened. They have joined the big group of "yes men" who allow themselves to be manipulated--along with every Republican in Congress, Columbia University, and some media.

Threatened, sued. Welcome to the age of authoritarianism.

There were no cuts. Show me where there are cuts.

 

[Fantine]

There were no cuts. Show me where there are cuts.

They are authorized--ordered--to make $900 million in Medicaid cuts.

Did the puff piece in a cowed, threatened law firm leave that out? Oops.

 

[public hermit]

Instead of raising taxes on the rich, as Trump suggested, they decided to make things harder on the poor, many of whom voted for Trump. It all reduces to class, and the rich win again by convincing the poor it's in their best interest. Trump's intuition about the political wisdom of raising taxes on the wealthiest was spot on. We'll see if this bill adversely affects his popularity. I'm not holding my breath. But once the dust settles and people start suffering, Democrats could use this to their advantage. Alas, they are likely to shoot themselves in the foot, per the usual. Democrats need to put some things aside and focus on a better economic plan than what we are seeing, a better way to meet needs and reduce spending. The focus on social issues just feeds into the conservative narrative, and what was previously accomplished on that front was obviously ephemeral. How could Democrats possibly meet needs and reduce spending? I wonder.

Spoiler

Tax the rich!!

 

[JosephZ]

Thats not what the breakdown shows.

The breakdown by the Congressional Budget Office shows that poor and vulnerable get less while the wealthy get more. The reports show show that the bottom 20% of earners will receive less than 5% of tax cut benefits while also facing losses from Medicaid and SNAP reductions and the top 1% will see tax savings averaging $50,000–$100,000 annually. The top 1% would also benefit from estate tax changes and business incentives.

The changes would not be evenly distributed among households. The agency estimates that in general, resources would decrease for households toward the bottom of the income distribution, whereas resources would increase for households in the middle and top of the income distribution.

Resources for households in the lowest decile of the income distribution would decrease by about $1,600 per year (in 2025 dollars) compared with their projected income in CBO’s baseline projections (see Figure 1).5 That amounts to 3.9 percent of their income (see Figure 2). Those projected decreases are mainly attributable to reductions in in-kind transfers, such as Medicaid and SNAP.

Resources would increase, on average, over the projection period by about $12,000 for households in the highest decile, amounting to 2.3 percent of their projected income. Those projected increases are mainly attributable to reductions in the taxes households in that decile owe.

Distributional Effects of H.R. 1, the One Big Beautiful Bill Act

CBO responds to a request for an analysis of the distributional effects of H.R. 1, the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, and updates the preliminary analysis it provided in a letter dated May 20, 2025.

www.cbo.gov

 

[dogs4thewin]

Instead of raising taxes on the rich, as Trump suggested, they decided to make things harder on the poor, many of whom voted for Trump. It all reduces to class, and the rich win again by convincing the poor it's in their best interest. Trump's intuition about the political wisdom of raising taxes on the wealthiest was spot on. We'll see if this bill adversely affects his popularity. I'm not holding my breath. But once the dust settles and people start suffering, Democrats could use this to their advantage. Alas, they are likely to shoot themselves in the foot, per the usual. Democrats need to put some things aside and focus on a better economic plan than what we are seeing, a better way to meet needs and reduce spending. The focus on social issues just feeds into the conservative narrative, and what was previously accomplished on that front was obviously ephemeral. How could Democrats possibly meet needs and reduce spending? I wonder.

Spoiler

Tax the rich!!

so then what happens if the average person benefits from the bill whether than suffers, that is the people who "deserve" help and do not just abuse the system.

 

[public hermit]

so then what happens if the average person benefits from the bill whether than suffers, that is the people who "deserve" help and do not just abuse the system.

You think that no one who needs the help will suffer? Interesting. We'll see.

 

[dogs4thewin]

You think that no one who needs the help will suffer? Interesting. We'll see.

If you need help and qualify you can still get it this just makes it to where people cannot or at least will have a MUCH harder time getting on if they are abusig the system work requirements, many non-cititzens ECT.