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I'm not sure there's enough distinction between Independent Baptists and YEC for that to matter much in this context.

I have the feeling he has no clue what a YEC really is.

Even AI Overview didn't help him.

I suppose I could try Wikipedia, but I'm afraid his mind is set.
 
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I have the feeling he has no clue what a YEC really is.

Even AI Overview didn't help him.

I suppose I could try Wikipedia, but I'm afraid his mind is set.
What more does it mean than a commitment to the idea that Earth is young(<10000 years) Earth and has a Creator? I mean, sure not all YECs are independent baptists, but it seems to me independent baptists meet the minimum threshold set by the term.
 
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What more does it mean than a commitment to the idea that Earth is young(<10000 years) Earth and has a Creator? I mean, sure not all YECs are independent baptists, but it seems to me independent baptists meet the minimum threshold set by the term.
There are lots of Baptists who accept Genesis as it is, and don't think the world is very young.
 
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You do realize you're arguing with a guy who thinks Adam spoke Jacobean English, right? There's not really enough common ground among his prior commitments and (y)ours to make any headway.
Maybe so. But these are public discussions. And I'm idealistic enough to think others watching can consider the arguments and make some conclusions.
 
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There are lots of Baptists who accept Genesis as it is, and don't think the world is very young.
Independent Baptists are a special breed, there are certainly a wide variety of other baptists. Independent Baptists are the group that gave us churches like the Westboro Baptist Church.
 
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There are lots of Baptists who accept Genesis as it is, and don't think the world is very young.

Correct.

And I'm one of them.

But you can't understand that, can you?
 
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Independent Baptists are a special breed, there are certainly a wide variety of other baptists. Independent Baptists are the group that gave us churches like the Westboro Baptist Church.

Just for the record, do you know what an Independent Baptist church is?

If an Independent Baptist church in Westboro says one thing, do they all say that?
 
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Just for the record, do you know what an Independent Baptist church is?

If an Independent Baptist church in Westboro says one thing, do they all say that?
Now now, let's not be coy. Independent Baptists have far more in common than Baptists churches that belong to one of the conventions, even if there is some variety. They may not all say exactly the same thing, but they tend to be problematic and combative for much the same reasons.
 
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Now now, let's not be coy. Independent Baptists have far more in common than Baptists churches that belong to one of the conventions, even if there is some variety. They may not all say exactly the same thing, but they tend to be problematic and combative for much the same reasons.

How 'bout we just take that Westboro remark with a grain of salt, eh? ;)
 
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How 'bout we just take that Westboro remark with a grain of salt, eh? ;)
I suppose what I was highlighting with that comment might be easily misunderstood, as I was simply pointing out that Independent Baptists tend to foster a lot of fringe and extreme beliefs.
 
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Correct.

And I'm one of them.

But you can't understand that, can you?
I'm just making inferences from behavior. But if you'd like to tell us about it, maybe we'd see a difference.
 
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Independent Baptists are a special breed, there are certainly a wide variety of other baptists. Independent Baptists are the group that gave us churches like the Westboro Baptist Church.
I thought that was a joke... (Barbarian checks).... what the hey?
 
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I thought that was a joke... (Barbarian checks).... what the hey?
Yeah...though the vitriol of that particular church is unique to them, but the insular nature of the church is fairly typical...as they tend to be far closer to cults thn mainline churches, because their theology tends to be fringe to put it mildly. They take the idea of faith as belief in the face of doubt to such an extreme that if it were an olympic sport they'd dominate the field.
 
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I suppose what I was highlighting with that comment might be easily misunderstood, as I was simply pointing out that Independent Baptists tend to foster a lot of fringe and extreme beliefs.

Like Jesus walking on water?
 
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But if you'd like to tell us about it, maybe we'd see a difference.

Ya -- maybe.

Okay, get ready to go 404.

Q: How old do I say the earth is? (Remember, now. You think I'm a YEC, so don't go outside of YEC parameters.)
 
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Yeah...though the vitriol of that particular church is unique to them, but the insular nature of the church is fairly typical...as they tend to be far closer to cults thn mainline churches, because their theology tends to be fringe to put it mildly. They take the idea of faith as belief in the face of doubt to such an extreme that if it were an olympic sport they'd dominate the field.

Is that the best example of an Independent Baptist church you can come up with?
 
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