By the Law Is the Knowledge of Sin

SabbathBlessings said:

Because the 4th commandment is not just the commandment for the Sabbath- it is for all days. Exo 20:8-11

God commanded us to work 6 days Exo 20:9 and keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exo 20:8

If we kept every day as the Sabbath, no work would get done, no one would be able to support themselves.

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LOL.
The work isn't mine anymore, since it is Him working in me.

SabbathBlessings said:

God knows our every need and knows we have to work and designed us to work and if every day was holy, would take away the sacredness of the Sabbath. God never designed it this way from Creation and I think instead of judging one of His commandments, I think it shows faith if we obey Him the way He said, and trust He knows what is best for us, since after all He did make us and all of Creation.

That's not to say we should not worship Him 365 24/7 but God in His wisdom that we should trust, only sanctified one day in all of Scripture, Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 He set aside holy time to spend time with man so He can bless Isa 56:2 and sanctify us Eze 20:12 because man can't sanctify themselves Isa 66:17 despite our best efforts.

Jesus said If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 Exo 20:6 do we have more love for the world to follow what everyone else is doing or should we fix our eyes on Jesus and through our faith and love obey Him the way He asks. Its all about choices Rom 6:16

Eze 22:26 Her priests have [g]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

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By only keeping one day a week holy, you imply a "partial holiness" to your week.
I will keep every day holy, as the way of salvation precludes partial anything.
Aren't you living everyday in subjection to God and to His Son ?
Can't you be holy, at work ?

Hoping2 said:

LOL.
The work isn't mine anymore, since it is Him working in me.

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Is God going grocery shopping for you? Is God working everyone's day-to-day job? Is God doing your laundry? Or cleaning your house? Or pulling your weeds? or driving your kids to school? or going to the gym?

Hoping2 said:

By only keeping one day a week holy, you imply a "partial holiness" to your week.

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You will have to take that up to with God. The Sabbath is one written personally by the finger of God commandments and is His Testimony Exo 31:18 going away from is not wise Isa 8:20. God never made all days holy, He only commanded us to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exo 20:8 your enmity regarding God's Sabbath commandment is noted, but its not with me.

Hoping2 said:

I will keep every day holy, as the way of salvation precludes partial anything.

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Disobedience to God and His commandments is called rebellion and sin in Scripture and it never did anyone any favors, not sure why people think it is going to work now. Jesus said its not. Mat 7:21-23

Hoping2 said:

Aren't you living everyday in subjection to God and to His Son ?

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Yes and in doing so is one going to disobey God through love and faith or obey Him 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12. The 4th commandment is no different than the 1st commandment or 7 commandment in God's eyes Deut 4:13 James 2:11-12 Mat 5:19-30

Hoping2 said:

Can't you be holy, at work ?

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No one can ever be holy by disobeying God. The Sabbath is a sign of His sanctification Eze 20;12 and if we are not receiving our sanctification from God, not a good place to be once He returns Isa 66:17 You are using your own human reasoning over what God said. While we have free will, its not the path Jesus told us to take Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

Exo 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Hoping2 said:

Why not just keep every day holy ?
Jesus has made that possible, by His suffering, death, burial, and resurrection.

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Sounds good to me

Whatever you do, in word or in deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him Colossians 3

SabbathBlessings said:

Is God going grocery shopping for you? Is God working everyone's day-to-day job? Is God doing your laundry? Or cleaning your house? Or pulling your weeds? or driving your kids to school?

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Yes, Christ in me...the hope of glory !

SabbathBlessings said:

You will have to take that up to with God. The Sabbath is one written personally by the finger of God commandments and is His Testimony Exo 31:18 going away from is not wise Isa 8:20. God never made all days holy, He only commanded us to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exo 20:8 your enmity regarding's God's Sabbath commandment is not with me.

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He commands us to keep every day holy.
"Be ye holy, for I am holy." (1 Peter 1:16)

SabbathBlessings said:

Disobedience to God and His commandments is called rebellion and sin in Scripture and it never did anyone any favors, not sure why people think it is going to work now. Jesus said its not. Mat 7:21-23

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If one thinks about it, be declaring that one keeps one day holy, one actually announce that one keeps six days unholy !
I don't want to try explaining to God the reasons for that is because "I was only following the OT Law".

SabbathBlessings said:

Yes and in doing so is one going to disobey God through love and faith or obey Him 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12. The 4th commandment is no different than the 1st commandment or 7 commandment in God's eyes Deut 4:13 James 2:11-12 Mat 5:19-30

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All the Law, and the prophets, are summed up with... love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength...and love your neighbor as yourself.
Not on just one day a week.

SabbathBlessings said:

No one can ever be holy by disobeying God. You are using your own human reason over what God said. While we have free will, its not the path Jesus told us to take Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13
Exo 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

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Thankfully, by the destruction of the old me, and the rebirth of a new creature/son of God, I am perfectly in line with all God's wishes.
"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief." (Heb 4:11)

Hoping2 said:

...one actually announce that one keeps six days unholy !

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An interesting way of looking at it

When we do our work on a day, it makes it unholy. When we do only God's work on a day, it is holy

"Christ in us" Amen

Hoping2 said:

Yes, Christ in me...the hope of glory !

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According to Christ those who abide in Him keep His commandments and follow in His footsteps.


Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
1Jn 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1Jn 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Hoping2 said:

He commands us to keep every day holy.
"Be ye holy, for I am holy." (1 Peter 1:16)

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There is no commandment to keep every day holy. We are to be holy, and in doing so is receiving His sanctification, which the Sabbath is a sign of Eze 20:12 . You are applying this verse to mean something it doesn't, it doesn't say keep every day as the Sabbath. We should conduct ourselves in a holy manner every day, we should worship God every day but Jesus in His own words relates false worship to keeping our rules/traditions over obeying the commandments of God quoting right from this same unit of Ten Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

Hoping2 said:

If one thinks about it, be declaring that one keeps one day holy, one actually announce that one keeps six days unholy !
I don't want to try explaining to God the reasons for that is because "I was only following the OT Law".

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I am not in a position to judge God's holy Law. If you think God made a mistake that will have to be brought up to Him.

The NC the Sabbath is still His commandment Luke 23:56 Heb 8:10 Jesus said it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath Mat 12:12 which means the Sabbath is still God's Law and means if doing good is lawful, there are things we can do that are unlawful as we see throughout the Scriptures. God already told us what this is by profaning God's Sabbath. Isa 58:13 Eze 20:13 Neh 13:17 Isa 56:2 Eze 22:26 etc. Treating it like a common day when God commanded to keep it holy focusing on Him Isa 58:13 disobeying God is not how we honor Him Eze 22:26 Rom 2:21-23

Hoping2 said:

All the Law, and the prophets, are summed up with... love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength...and love your neighbor as yourself.

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What was Jesus quoting when He said this? Read Deut 5 after Moses quoted the Ten Commandments 40 years after God gave them and before the children entered into their promised rest told the children to diligently keep and for their children to keep and so forth, He summarized them calling then the greatest commandment Deut 6:5 just like Paul did quoting the same unit of Ten to summarize the second greatest commandment Rom 13:9. Love to God and love to man is not just a feeling, nor is it up to each individual to choose how to love God. God gave us instructions on how to to love Him in the first 4 commandments and how to love man in the last 6 and said the entire Bible hangs on love to God and love to man and according to God- His commandments show us how to do this. 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6

Hoping2 said:

Not on just one day a week.

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Again, your disagreement is not me. God wrote and God spoke the 4th commandment which is a commandment for all days Exo 20:8-11 God who is perfect could not write an imperfect Law and He didn't Psa 19:7

Hoping2 said:

Thankfully, by the destruction of the old me, and the rebirth of a new creature/son of God, I am perfectly in line with all God's wishes.
"Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief." (Heb 4:11)

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Lets put this in context, because this is exactly the same issue why many of the children of Israel (God's people) did not cross over to their promised rest as they rebelled against God's Sabbath and other Laws. Exactly what we are warned not to do to follow in their same path of sin, rebellion and unbelief

Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, 'which, if a man does, he shall live by them'; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: "TODAY, IF YOU WILL HEAR HIS VOICE,
Heb 3:8 DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS IN THE REBELLION, IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS,
Heb 3:9 WHERE YOUR FATHERS TESTED ME, TRIED ME, AND SAW MY WORKS FORTY YEARS.
Heb 3:10 THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THAT GENERATION, AND SAID, 'THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART, AND THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN MY WAYS.'
Heb 3:11 SO I SWORE IN MY WRATH, 'THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.' "
Heb 3:12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
Heb 3:13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called "TODAY," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
Heb 3:15 while it is said: "TODAY, IF YOU WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS IN THE REBELLION."
Heb 3:16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses?
Heb 3:17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Heb 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,
Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

Those who do enter His rest ALSO cease from their work as God did on the seventh day.

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS";

Just like the Israelites were tested so are we. Are we going to make the same mistakes or stay faithful to what God said, the way God said it. God wrote it God spoke it and called it His Testimony as far as I know there is no greater than He.

We have the same test and the same decisions to enter our promised rest Rev 22:14 is all about decisions Rom 6:16

Those abiding in Christ keep his commandments in place at the time

It looks to me like that's what it always comes back to

All the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles Zechariah 14

Leaf473 said:

An interesting way of looking at it

When we do our work on a day, it makes it unholy.

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Not if our works, jobs, chores, etc., are holy.

Leaf473 said:

When we do only God's work on a day, it is holy
"Christ in us" Amen

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That is everyday, for those in Christ.

SabbathBlessings said:

According to Christ those who abide in Him keep His commandments and follow in His footsteps.

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Amen...love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind; and love your neighbor as yourself !

SabbathBlessings said:

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
1Jn 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1Jn 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

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Thanks be to God for making that possible.

SabbathBlessings said:

There is no commandment to keep every day holy.

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Splitting hairs, are we ?

SabbathBlessings said:

We are to be holy, and in doing so is receiving His sanctification, which the Sabbath is a sign of Eze 20:12 .

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Now, in the NT, we know we have been sanctified by the blood of Christ.
There is no need for ongoing resanctifications.

SabbathBlessings said:

You are applying this verse to mean something it doesn't, it doesn't say keep every day as the Sabbath.

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I think it does.

SabbathBlessings said:

We should conduct ourselves in a holy manner every day, we should worship God every day but Jesus in His own words relates false worship to keeping our rules/traditions over obeying the commandments of God quoting right from this same unit of Ten Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

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As God has commanded us to be as holy as He is, doing it 24/7 would seem to answer that commandment.

SabbathBlessings said:

I am not in a position to judge God's holy Law. If you think God made a mistake that will have to be brought up to Him.

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God doesn't make mistakes.
What is it about 24/7 worship of God, that makes you feel it is a mistake ?

SabbathBlessings said:

The NC the Sabbath is still His commandment Luke 23:56 Heb 8:10 Jesus said it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath Mat 12:12 which means the Sabbath is still God's Law and means if doing good is lawful, there are things we can do that are unlawful as we see throughout the Scriptures. God already told us what this is by profaning God's Sabbath. Isa 58:13 Eze 20:13 Neh 13:17 Isa 56:2 Eze 22:26 etc. Treating it like a common day when God commanded to keep it holy focusing on Him Isa 58:13 disobeying God is not how we honor Him Eze 22:26 Rom 2:21-23

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I don' treat the sabbath as a common day: I treat every day like the sabbath.
I'll go with Paul on this one.
He wrote..."Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come;..." (Col 2:16-17)

SabbathBlessings said:

What was Jesus quoting when He said this? Read Deut 5 after Moses quoted the Ten Commandments 40 years after God gave them and before the children entered into their promised rest told the children to diligently keep and for their children to keep and so forth, He summarized them calling then the greatest commandment Deut 6:5 just like Paul did quoting the same unit of Ten to summarize the second greatest commandment Rom 13:9. Love to God and love to man is not just a feeling, nor is it up to each individual to choose how to love God. God gave us instructions on how to to love Him in the first 4 commandments and how to love man in the last 6 and said the entire Bible hangs on love to God and love to man and according to God- His commandments show us how to do this. 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6

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All the Law, and the prophets, are summed up with... love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength...and love your neighbor as yourself.

SabbathBlessings said:

Again, your disagreement is not me. God wrote and God spoke the 4th commandment which is a commandment for all days Exo 20:8-11 God who is perfect could not write an imperfect Law and He didn't Psa 19:7

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As I do keep the sabbath, there is no disagreement.
The only disagreement seems to be with you, who feels it is only necessary on one day a week to be set God apart for/with God.

SabbathBlessings said:

Lets put this in context, because this is exactly the same issue why many of the children of Israel (God's people) did not cross over to their promised rest as they rebelled against God's Sabbath and other Laws. Exactly what we are warned not to do to follow in their same path of sin, rebellion and unbelief

Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, 'which, if a man does, he shall live by them'; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: "TODAY, IF YOU WILL HEAR HIS VOICE,
Heb 3:8 DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS IN THE REBELLION, IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS,
Heb 3:9 WHERE YOUR FATHERS TESTED ME, TRIED ME, AND SAW MY WORKS FORTY YEARS.
Heb 3:10 THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THAT GENERATION, AND SAID, 'THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART, AND THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN MY WAYS.'
Heb 3:11 SO I SWORE IN MY WRATH, 'THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.' "
Heb 3:12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
Heb 3:13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called "TODAY," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
Heb 3:15 while it is said: "TODAY, IF YOU WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS IN THE REBELLION."
Heb 3:16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses?
Heb 3:17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Heb 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,
Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

Those who do enter His rest ALSO cease from their work as God did on the seventh day.

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS";

Just like the Israelites were tested so are we. Are we going to make the same mistakes or stay faithful to what God said, the way God said it. God wrote it God spoke it and called it His Testimony as far as I know there is no greater than He.

We have the same test and the same decisions to enter our promised rest Rev 22:14 is all about decisions Rom 6:16

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Isn't refusing to be as holy as He is holy, "sin, rebellion and unbelief" ?
Some confine their holiness to one day a week.
We feel it is necessary, everyday.