Why did God choose Israel?

BelieveItOarKnot · Monday at 2:18 PM

Aseyesee said:
... or any less ... Your footsteps become ordered (divinely orchestrated) to you when you believe that they are ...

Neither Matthew or Mark’s words (in their telling) reflect a devil in the process …

If God had not said we would have had no sin ... but because you say I see (who told you) therefore your sin remains ...

Oh please, disobedient spirits in people that are not the person are over the entirety of scripture

If your claim is that these are only people, then say it

Aseyesee · Monday at 2:49 PM

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Oh please, disobedient spirits in people that are not the person are over the entirety of scripture

If your claim is that these are only people, then say it

I have no such claim (one way or the other) ... but the facts I stated remain ...

You have "God bound everybody" How?

Because he bound Israel (who he chose) the same way ...

BelieveItOarKnot · Monday at 10:35 PM

Aseyesee said:
I have no such claim (one way or the other)

About what?

Jamdoc · Monday at 10:44 PM

ralliann said:
I think he did it to cause God's grace to abound. The promises made to their Fathers in the covenant of circumcision cannot be disannulled by the Sinai covenant law. God swore an oath.

Yeah that's how I feel about it, to just be this overwhelming display of His grace.

as Paul wrote in Romans 11

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

and

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

ties right into the Resurrection that happens at their redemption.

honey badger · Tuesday at 12:29 AM

Aseyesee said:
... or any less ... Your footsteps become ordered (divinely orchestrated) to you when you believe that they are ...

Neither Matthew or Mark’s words (in their telling) reflect a devil in the process …

If God had not said we would have had no sin ... but because you say I see (who told you) therefore your sin remains ...

But sin, having taken an occasion by the commandment, produced in me all covetousness; for apart from the Law, sin is dead. And I once was alive apart from Law; but the commandment having come, sin revived, and I died; and this commandment that was unto life proved to be death to me. For sin, having taken an occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it put me to death.

Aseyesee · Tuesday at 5:05 AM

BelieveItOarKnot said:
About what?

"If your claim is that these are only people, then say it"

You have "God bound everybody" How?

BelieveItOarKnot · Tuesday at 5:06 AM

Aseyesee said:
"If your claim is that these are only people, then say it"

Is that your claim?

I try to narrow things down

Your statement here makes people devils, except you can't quite say it:

"If you are a seed of a serpent then you are a serpent"

Aseyesee · Tuesday at 5:31 AM

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Is that your claim?

I try to narrow things down

Your statement here makes people devils, except you can't quite say it:

"If you are a seed of a serpent then you are a serpent"

God/father did/does to ... down to one ... new man ...

"If you are a seed of a serpent then you are a serpent, just as if you are the seed of Abraham, then are you Christ … but of course these are analogies and not a carnal or literal representation no more than the picking up of your cross is."

Aseyesee · Tuesday at 9:15 AM

honey badger said:
But sin, having taken an occasion by the commandment, produced in me all covetousness; for apart from the Law, sin is dead. And I once was alive apart from Law; but the commandment having come, sin revived, and I died; and this commandment that was unto life proved to be death to me. For sin, having taken an occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it put me to death.

In the end, it all comes down to the law of our mind, a soul kept or a soul lost (where we view truth from ... (one of labor or one without hands) … and far we are willing to enter into this truth of both where and who we are ...

BelieveItOarKnot · Wednesday at 5:38 AM

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Is that your claim?

I try to narrow things down

Your statement here makes people devils, except you can't quite say it:

"If you are a seed of a serpent then you are a serpent"

I'll accept your positional thumb in eye toward your neighbors

Aseyesee · Wednesday at 8:39 AM

BelieveItOarKnot said:
I'll accept your positional thumb in eye toward your neighbors

"But of course these are analogies and not a carnal or literal representation no more than the picking up of your cross is." incase you didn't read to the end of my post.

honey badger · Wednesday at 12:37 PM

BelieveItOarKnot said:
I'll accept your positional thumb in eye toward your neighbors

it is you who is doing the accusing ... even accusing a neighbor who has no guile in his mouth ...

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-07-04T03:07:51-0500

Aseyesee said:
"But of course these are analogies and not a carnal or literal representation no more than the picking up of your cross is." incase you didn't read to the end of my post.

There is a real adversary that is not the people

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-07-04T03:11:31-0500

honey badger said:
it is you who is doing the accusing ... even accusing a neighbor who has no guile in his mouth ...

We all get gamed by the accuser of our neighbors, if we're honest

There is no immunity or innoculation from that activity

The devil is not our neighbor. Sharp edge, ain't it?

Aseyesee · 2025-07-04T09:12:16-0500

BelieveItOarKnot said:
There is a real adversary that is not the people

In scripture it states God can be an adversary, angels can be an adversary, man can be an adversary, Satan is an adversary, and the Devil is an adversary (not mention nations) … even your own soul/mind can be an adversary, where you oppose God; which is the same thing as opposing yourself ...

This statement “Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?” was long before John said the devil put the thought of betrayal in his heart, and as well as to when Satan entered (according to John), for Luke it was before they sat down for the Passover dinner (with no sop mentioned), who also like Matthew, and Mark don’t mention the devil (or Satan) having put the thought into his heart/mind …

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