Poland to launch shorter working week pilot programme

Landon Caeli · Jun 27, 2025

Desk trauma said:
Ah, fantasy. A good escape.

Yes

Landon Caeli · Jun 27, 2025

BCP1928 said:
That's an interesting theory of work you have there. How many occupations put in that much physical work in a year?

IDK. Hopefully all of them.

BCP1928 · Jun 27, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
IDK. Hopefully all of them.

It's an interesting idea. A person doing physical labor would have much more time off than, say, an engineer.

Landon Caeli · Jun 27, 2025

BCP1928 said:
It's an interesting idea. A person doing physical labor would have much more time off than, say, an engineer.

Unless brainwork can also be calculated in kilojoules. I'm sure a ratio between physical, and mental work can be established so everyone is putting in equal effort.

Gregory Thompson · Jun 27, 2025

BCP1928 said:
What does that have to do with it? In any case there are three countries in North America which have different immigration policies.

Related to filling gaps in vital industries with immigration.

Hans Blaster · Jun 27, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
You don't believe in the power of AI..?

No. It will destroy things, but mostly those that make themselves dependent on it.

Landon Caeli said:
I can think of hundreds of jobs that will be eliminated, and those which can't, I can think of hundreds of ways to reduce their workload.

...I don't believe for a second that any of these jobs are going to be reserved for people by management. Not when companies today are already using cameras to spy on their employees - that's step one already, in the shift over to high tech.

Losing hundreds of jobs? I don't think we should worry about "hundreds of jobs". Normal job creation/loss numbers are in the hundreds of thousands each month.

BCP1928 · Jun 27, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
Unless brainwork can also be calculated in kilojoules. I'm sure a ratio between physical, and mental work can be established so everyone is putting in equal effort.

Right. It's called the "commodification of labor" an important part of authoritarian capitalism--or "neoliberalism" as it is generally called. Other authoritarian systems have different names for it. Communists, for instance, call it "the Dictatorship of the Prolitariat" but it is much the same thing by any name.

FireDragon76 · Jun 27, 2025

bèlla said:
It doesn’t have to be grand and few things begin that way. A little at a time consistently can amount to much. It sounds like you’re making strides and we’re doing the same. I watched an interesting show on Hulu and finished it last night. It’s about a calamity that occurs on earth that results in a group taking shelter underground in a city prepared for them. The inhabitants are preselected and the remainder are left behind. It‘s mildly dystopian with unexpected twists and really good. We’re getting another season.

What‘s interesting about the series is the quiet voice in the back of your mind that’s taking it in and making notes. It’s the knowing we have that it‘s more than theater and watching it unfold forces us to confront uncomfortable truths. Few would say that something along those lines does not exist.

I recall an interview Tucker had with a woman who worked for the Bush administration who made allegations about a city the government created underground for elites. You don’t get that degree of attention without a reason. I’m not validating what she said but I don’t believe it‘s wholly false. I’ve read several stories about elites purchasing bunkers, raising cattle and other activities related to self-sufficiency.

Many people ignore them because it’s the wealthy after all. But they usually have a heads up before we do. And the same was echoed in the series Obama produced for Netflix and I’ve kept what he said in mind. He noticed odd swings in the market and his clients were moving large sums of money and liquidating assets. As events unfolded he recollected conversations and indicators something was amiss that he overlooked. We don’t always receive warnings in the guise we expect. Oftentimes the signs are right in our face but we’re looking elsewhere.

~bella

It's a new gilded age in the US. The minority group growing the fastest in the past ten years are billionaires. They have alot of money to play with, including investing in bug-out shelters and offshoring of assets and lifestyles. While it might look like they are planning for the worst with a kind of zeal, that might simply be a reflection of the fact that for them it's a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of buying a politician or an election, and they are just "hedging their bets".

Fantine · Jun 27, 2025

AI and technology will make shorter work weeks a necessity sooner than we think--if we want full employment.

Hopefully we will have a government that puts people before profits when this comes about. In the meantime, Poland will have given it a trial run.

Landon Caeli · Jun 28, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
No. It will destroy things, but mostly those that make themselves dependent on it.

Losing hundreds of jobs? I don't think we should worry about "hundreds of jobs". Normal job creation/loss numbers are in the hundreds of thousands each month.

I'm just saying hundreds right off the top of my head. If I were to do a complete analysis using research, the number of jobs that could be replaced by automation and AI would probably start off in the thousands, and could lead up to tens or hundreds of thousands of actual jobs.

Landon Caeli · Jun 28, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
No. It will destroy things, but mostly those that make themselves dependent on it.

I don't know how we can stop it. Especially considering we're fighting against a boogeyman, in that we don't have the right to dictate how corporations produce products or run their business. We only have philosophies and ideas on things we do or don't like - and that's not enough to create change in our favor.

BCP1928 · Jun 28, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
I don't know how we can stop it. Especially considering we're fighting against a boogeyman, in that we don't have the right to dictate how corporations produce products or run their business. We only have philosophies and ideas on things we do or don't like - and that's not enough to create change in our favor.

Actually, we do. Forming a business corporation is not a right, it's a privilege granted by the state with various conditions attached which may be modified by "we. the people." Take a look at Trump's Nippon Steel deal, for instance, where the government will have a seat on the board of directors.

Landon Caeli · Jun 28, 2025

BCP1928 said:
Actually, we do. Forming a business corporation is not a right, it's a privilege granted by the state with various conditions attached which may be modified by "we. the people." Take a look at Trump's Nippon Steel deal, for instance, where the government will have a seat on the board of directors.

Yeah, but if you can force a company to have so many employees per bot, why can't you just as easily force a company to pay a bot-penalty fee, where people then start to recieve checks from the government, as compensation for a loss of jobs in general?

...What's the difference? It's government intervention either way.

BCP1928 · Jun 28, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
Yeah, but if you can force a company to have so many employees per bot, why can't you just as easily force a company to pay a bot-penalty fee, where people then start to recieve checks from the government, as compensation for a loss of jobs in general?

...What's the difference? It's government intervention either way.

Those are only two of the possibilities. The first step has to be a return to free market captaiism and a de-commodification of the workforce.

Hans Blaster · Jun 28, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
I'm just saying hundreds right off the top of my head. If I were to do a complete analysis using research, the number of jobs that could be replaced by automation and AI would probably start off in the thousands, and could lead up to tens or hundreds of thousands of actual jobs.

There is a whole lot of difference between hundreds of people losing their jobs and hundreds of thousands, but even that latter number is of the scale as monthly changes in total employment. Spread over the whole country and many years it is but blip.

Landon Caeli · Jun 28, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
There is a whole lot of difference between hundreds of people losing their jobs and hundreds of thousands, but even that latter number is of the scale as monthly changes in total employment. Spread over the whole country and many years it is but blip.

It should be good then, as something we won't need to worry about much, in the future. I'd be okay with that.

RileyG · Monday at 3:41 PM

trophy33 said:
Soon, some Polish employees may have the opportunity to work six hours a day, enjoy a three-day weekend or take additional days of – leave without reducing their salary.

The programme will allow businesses, local authorities, foundations and trade unions to voluntarily test a shorter working week by either reducing working hours each day, extending the weekend to three days, or providing more annual leave days.

Regardless of the chosen method, participating organisations will have to maintain current salaries and staff numbers.

Sześć godzin pracy dziennie i trzydniowy weekend? Nowy pilotaż, który może zmienić polskie firmy

Już niebawem część polskich pracowników może zyskać możliwość pracy w wymiarze sześciu godzin dziennie, cieszyć się trzydniowym weekendem lub korzystać z dodatkowych dni urlopu – bez obniżenia wyna...

businessinsider.com.pl

https://notesfrompoland.com/2025/04/29/poland-to-launch-a-shorter-work-week-pilot-programme/

I wonder how it’s going to work out?

RileyG · Monday at 3:42 PM

trophy33 said:
In the ideal world, hard, repetitive, boring work will be automated and humans can spend their time in creative, exploratory and similar jobs or hobbies.

I work in retail. The amount of people who say they don’t use self checkout because they “think it’s wrong” or “don’t work here” blow my mind.

Do they also have someone else pump their gas for them?

Cashiers are becoming obsolete.

7thKeeper · Tuesday at 2:38 PM

RileyG said:
I wonder how it’s going to work out?

Japanese and the pilot ran by Microsoft (iirc) both did well and increased productivity.

RileyG · Tuesday at 4:15 PM

7thKeeper said:
Japanese and the pilot ran by Microsoft (iirc) both did well and increased productivity.

Interesting.

Poland to launch shorter working week pilot programme

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