Poland to launch shorter working week pilot programme

[bèlla]

That's just...bizarre. Have they not heard of the film?

I think it’s a play on it. The first time we saw it was during the pandemic.

 

[bèlla]

You were afraid of systemic problems. And systemic problems need to be solved systematically. In democratic countries (like the USA), you need to hope that the democratic processes (like elections) will find a good solution.

I’m not afraid of systemic problems. I just shared what I’ve heard and a recent report. The solution already exists. They just haven’t revealed it. The public discussions are breadcrumbs. Not enough to have the full picture but enough to go on and put something in place.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

That's acceptable advice provided one has the resources.

It isn’t dependent on resources. It relies on the willingness to look for solutions and put a plan in action instead of waiting for answers. Which may require work and less free time for that layer of security. Each person must decide the level of uncertainty they‘re willing to accept.

~bella

 

[Gregory Thompson]

They already get payed more than we do, have more time off and better benefits. Now they are only have to work 6 hours??? That's bad, but it could get worse. I don't know how it will go in Poland, but there are some jobs that take more than 6 hours to get anything done and so the workers stay on for the original 8 hours and get two hours of overtime every day. Sounds like Poland may be in line for some good old American regime change.

They get paid more than we do because the legal atmosphere is completely different. How people become citizens for example is way different than in North America.

 

[FireDragon76]

It isn’t dependent on resources. It relies on the willingness to look for solutions and put a plan in action instead of waiting for answers. Which may require work and less free time for that layer of security. Each person must decide the level of uncertainty they‘re willing to accept.

~bella

In fairness, we are doing that too in our household. Nothing grandiose, just taking steps quietly to prepare to bug-out if we discern that's what has to be done. Probably move north to some place that doesn't have an economy based on selling empty dreams and illusions, where something like the fabric of a human scale community can still be built.

 

[FireDragon76]

Not working in a specific paid job does not equal idleness, though. Americans are used to work and commute to work and back so much that they sometimes do not know what free time even means or what to do with it.

If the values of our society were to shift (in the US), alot of people could work, or volunteer, in jobs like nursing, healthcare, or mental health. While many of the tech broligarchs currently in control of our society will never understand this, a robot can never bring the sense of human presence of an actual human being. And human presence is often what is most lacking in American life. It's no wonder American struggle with so much drug addiction and mental pathologies.

 

[trophy33]

If the values of our society were to shift (in the US), alot of people could work, or volunteer, in jobs like nursing, healthcare, or mental health. While many of the tech broligarchs currently in control of our society will never understand this, a robot can never bring the sense of human presence of an actual human being. And human presence is often what is most lacking in American life. It's no wonder American struggle with so much drug addiction and mental pathologies.

Yes, that is my hope. That when automation takes care of the robot-like job positions, people can invest their time into something that is actually fulfilling. Either as another job or even as an unpaid free time activity, if they will be financially safe.

 

[Desk trauma]

Yes, that is my hope. That when automation takes care of the robot-like job positions, people can invest their time into something that is actually fulfilling. Either as another job or even as an unpaid free time activity, if they will be financially safe.

Just like now but with fewer job opportunities for most people to secure financial safety.

 

[trophy33]

Just like now but with fewer job opportunities for most people to secure financial safety.

The financial safety of general population should be created by the automation. With good laws and social system.

Like for example old people are financially safe while not working, because they have a state pension after a certain age.

 

[Desk trauma]

The financial safety of general population should be created by the automation. With good laws and social system.

Not in the US baring a radical reordering of things which I don’t expect. No other wave of automation has caused that outcome, why would this one?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Not in the US baring a radical reordering of things which I don’t expect. No other wave of automation has caused that outcome, why would this one?

You don't believe in the power of AI..?

I can think of hundreds of jobs that will be eliminated, and those which can't, I can think of hundreds of ways to reduce their workload.

...I don't believe for a second that any of these jobs are going to be reserved for people by management. Not when companies today are already using cameras to spy on their employees - that's step one already, in the shift over to high tech.

 

[Desk trauma]

You don't believe in the power of AI..?

To displace people from jobs, sure.

 

[BCP1928]

They get paid more than we do because the legal atmosphere is completely different. How people become citizens for example is way different than in North America.

What does that have to do with it? In any case there are three countries in North America which have different immigration policies.

 

[Landon Caeli]

To displace people from jobs, sure.

At which point, big change is inevitable. Big, big change.

 

[Desk trauma]

At which point, big change is inevitable. Big, big change.

I see no reason it would usher in a better day for those who are displaced.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I see no reason it would usher in a better day for those who are displaced.

Everyone will need to wear an "effort" calculating wristband while donating their work-time. After 50 kilojoules of effort per year, you will have earned your UBI... If you want more, you can get more, but you have to donate at least 50 to be included in the society.

...The robots do the rest.

 

[trophy33]

Not in the US baring a radical reordering of things which I don’t expect. No other wave of automation has caused that outcome, why would this one?

I do not live in the US. People in the US will need to find solutions for the US problems (or get an inspiration from abroad).

 

[BCP1928]

Everyone will need to wear an "effort" calculating wristband while donating their work-time. After 50 kilojoules of effort per year, you will have earned your UBI... If you want more, you can get more, but you have to donate at least 50 to be included in the society.

...The robots do the rest.

That's an interesting theory of work you have there. How many occupations put in that much physical work in a year?

 

[Desk trauma]

Everyone will need to wear an "effort" calculating wristband while donating their work-time. After 50 kilojoules of effort per year, you will have earned your UBI... If you want more, you can get more, but you have to donate at least 50 to be included in the society.

...The robots do the rest.

Ah, fantasy. A good escape.

 

[bèlla]

In fairness, we are doing that too in our household. Nothing grandiose, just taking steps quietly to prepare to bug-out if we discern that's what has to be done. Probably move north to some place that doesn't have an economy based on selling empty dreams and illusions, where something like the fabric of a human scale community can still be built.

It doesn’t have to be grand and few things begin that way. A little at a time consistently can amount to much. It sounds like you’re making strides and we’re doing the same. I watched an interesting show on Hulu and finished it last night. It’s about a calamity that occurs on earth that results in a group taking shelter underground in a city prepared for them. The inhabitants are preselected and the remainder are left behind. It‘s mildly dystopian with unexpected twists and really good. We’re getting another season.

What‘s interesting about the series is the quiet voice in the back of your mind that’s taking it in and making notes. It’s the knowing we have that it‘s more than theater and watching it unfold forces us to confront uncomfortable truths. Few would say that something along those lines does not exist.

I recall an interview Tucker had with a woman who worked for the Bush administration who made allegations about a city the government created underground for elites. You don’t get that degree of attention without a reason. I’m not validating what she said but I don’t believe it‘s wholly false. I’ve read several stories about elites purchasing bunkers, raising cattle and other activities related to self-sufficiency.

Many people ignore them because it’s the wealthy after all. But they usually have a heads up before we do. And the same was echoed in the series Obama produced for Netflix and I’ve kept what he said in mind. He noticed odd swings in the market and his clients were moving large sums of money and liquidating assets. As events unfolded he recollected conversations and indicators something was amiss that he overlooked. We don’t always receive warnings in the guise we expect. Oftentimes the signs are right in our face but we’re looking elsewhere.

~bella