Most Christians say they would never vote for a Democrat, poll finds

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

The latter of whom expect a blood pact with Baal In order to work with them (this is an exaggeration but abortion is a central policy position of the DNC).

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Those associations are easy. Why not say the guns rights folks are offering school children to Moloch? Both parties fall outside the kingdom, unsurprisingly, and either could carry the vote with enough change in Christian awareness of what's important. Ten years from now, Christians might deplore what Republicans now stand for.

public hermit said:

Those associations are easy. Why not say the guns rights folks are offering school children to Moloch? Both parties fall outside the kingdom, unsurprisingly, and either could carry the vote with enough change in Christian awareness of what's important. Ten years from now, Christians might deplore what Republicans now stand for.

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If you believe in gun rights you believe that not all power should be centralized in the state. You don't support those who abuse the right. The DNC and progressive Christians directly support women to get abortions and seek to remove roadblocks for them getting an abortion. They also support the culture of promiscuity that leads to abortion. So the two are not equivalent, though as a progressive you would desperately like to paint it so.

I agree about the Republicans. Any Christian conservative 10, 20, 30 years in the past would be dissapointed with the Christian conservatives after them. Thats because the modern conservative movement is in most ways as progressive as the Democrats, they're just more retarded (slow).

A New Dawn said:

The problem with voting for a small unknown party is that you are effectively throwing your vote away.

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Which is a self-fulfilling prophecy. When you begin to vote for them and when your churches will start to talk about them as they talk about Republicans, it will stop being throwing your vote away.

And I do not think you cannot have your vote to be "thrown away", it is not a sin and it is voicing your opinion. Even if you do not vote at all.

Will only comment that among the Christians here there's all sorts of different political opinions.

A New Dawn said:

We’ll have to agree to disagree. A vote against socialism/communism is a vote for the vision of the founding fathers. That is not a waste, IMO.

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My congressional district is a toss up. My vote there matters. My state goes Republican every time. If I can nudge that a bit without voting for a Socialist I will, and with a clean conscience.

public hermit said:

Ranked-choice voting might help alleviate that sense that we too often get handed a losing dichotomy. Perhaps I don't get my first choice, but if I get my second or third, my vote still matters. It's inherently a moderate approach to voting; whereas, having two de facto parties lends itself to extremes.

Just in case someone is curious:

New York City Voters Just Adopted Ranked-Choice Voting in Elections

Here's how it works

time.com

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And Mamdami wins.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

The two dominant parties, both inherently committed to some form of liberalism are awful.

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agree, I vehemently oppose trickle-down, supply-side, horse and sparrow, neoliberalism of which both parties participate to a degree - the GOP more than Democrats.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

So I dont disagree that the Republicans are bad

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okay. You advocate for them incessantly but okay.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

but I wouldnt say they're equal

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I would say, depending on the issue, either can be worse

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

and if Christians were to have influence as Christians it would be within the Republicans rather than the democrats.

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I disagree. I see absolute adherence to either equally dispicable. The traditional 'Catholic' political positions align more closely with democrats with one **MAJOR** exception which is:

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

The latter of whom expect a blood pact with Baal In order to work with them (this is an exaggeration but abortion is a central policy position of the DNC).

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..there it is. The, coup de grâce, the epitome of political sins for single issue adherents.
and I do agree, that is the pet issue of most democrats and is certainly part of their party policy which is intolerable and keeps me from supporting them.

That said, I am unabashedly pro-life. I consider abortion through the lens of life being sacred, but also consider capital punishment and euthanasia in the same light. In addition, I see pro-life overlapping into issues of poverty, health care, war, guns, immigration, and protection of minorities and seniors. Life is sacred, all of it.

Anecdotally, Roe vs Wade passed when I was 10 years old. It was the proverbial law of the land for almost all of my adult life (until recently). Yet - somehow my family was able to withstand abortion. Neither my mom/parents, my wife, nor my daughter (who is almost 40, w/two children) have been subjected to abortions. We followed our beliefs, and the Church's standard, and never considered abortion as an option. No one was forced to get one.
There are political issues that our family has been forced to endure and they are issues championed by the GOP.
One, complete lack of healthcare at times and at all times healthcare that is unaffordable. I have insurance through my employer that I can't afford to use. A LARGE deduction from my weekly paycheck and a 15K deductible before the insurance company pays a cent. Currently, as I type, the insurance company is in a dispute with the local hospital group and the hospital will not accept my insurance. Healthcare in the US is great for those who can afford it. The rest of us either go without or bankrupt. The GOP has no plan, policy, or has floated ideas that only make things worse.

secondly, as one member of the the first Trump Adminstration (and current senior advisor) so elequantly called it, "the downward pressure on wages." It is legal in this state to pay workers $2.13 per hour. There is no minimum wage, other than the one at risk under the GOP in D.C.
Wages are stagnant and have been for years. I have family members who have been subjected to less than livable wages. The GOP opposes living wages. In fact, many (if not most) would favor eliminating the minimum wage altogether.
I could go on.. but I bolded a paragraph above and it covers most of it. However as I see it, the GOP fails once you get beyond the first sentence in that paragraph.
[EDIT to ADD] as it applies to the thread title; Can a Christian vote for a Democrat/Republican? Yes.
Must a Christian vote for a Democrat/Republican? NO!

FenderTL5 said:

agree, I vehemently oppose trickle-down, supply-side, horse and sparrow, neoliberalism of which both parties participate to a degree - the GOP more than Democrats.

okay. You advocate for them incessantly but okay.

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I actually dont support the Republicans. Rather what I am suggesting is if you were to have a Christian politics you would be better to infiltrate and take over the Republicans rather than the deathcult which is the DNC.

FenderTL5 said:

I would say, depending on the issue, either can be worse

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The Republicans who are worst are the Neocons but they are fundamentally liberals who seek expand the US empire by force.

FenderTL5 said:

I disagree. I see absolute adherence to either equally dispicable. The traditional 'Catholic' political positions align more closely with democrats with one **MAJOR** exception which is:

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I dont advocate absolute adherence to either.

FenderTL5 said:

..there it is. The, coup de grâce, the epitome of political sins for single issue adherents.
and I do agree, that is the pet issue of most democrats and is certainly part of their party policy which is intolerable and keeps me from supporting them.

That said, I am unabashedly pro-life. I consider abortion through the lens of life being sacred, but also consider capital punishment and euthanasia in the same light. In addition, I see pro-life overlapping into issues of poverty, health care, war, guns, immigration, and protection of minorities and seniors. Life is sacred, all of it.

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This is where you and I would disaagree. The state has been given authority by God to execute people. War is also not intolerable. Though am not defending America's recent wars and their crusades for regime change and spreading liberal democracy to the middle East.

FenderTL5 said:

Anecdotally, Roe vs Wade passed when I was 10 years old. It was the proverbial law of the land for almost all of my adult life (until recently). Yet - somehow my family was able to withstand abortion. Neither my mom/parents, my wife, nor my daughter (who is almost 40, w/two children) have been subjected to abortions. We followed our beliefs, and the Church's standard, and never considered abortion as an option. No one was forced to get one.
There are political issues that our family has been forced to endure and they are issues championed by the GOP.
One, complete lack of healthcare at times and at all times healthcare that is unaffordable. I have insurance through my employer that I can't afford to use. A LARGE deduction from my weekly paycheck and a 15K deductible before the insurance company pays a cent. Currently, as I type, the insurance company is in a dispute with the local hospital group and the hospital will not accept my insurance. Healthcare in the US is great for those who can afford it. The rest of us either go without or bankrupt. The GOP has no plan, policy, or has floated ideas that only make things worse.

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Again I am not defending the Republicans or telling you to vote for them. The Republican party will likely only get worse with time as it continues down the same trajectory as the democrats but in a slower and more methodical way.

FenderTL5 said:

secondly, as one member of the the first Trump Adminstration (and current senior advisor) so elequantly called it, "the downward pressure on wages." It is legal in this state to pay workers $2.13 per hour. There is no minimum wage, other than the one at risk under the GOP in D.C.
Wages are stagnant and have been for years. I have family members who have been subjected to less than livable wages. The GOP opposes living wages. In fact, many (if not most) would favor eliminating the minimum wage altogether.
I could go on.. but I bolded a paragraph above and it covers most of it. However as I see it, the GOP fails once you get beyond the first sentence in that paragraph.
[EDIT to ADD] as it applies to the thread title; Can a Christian vote for a Democrat/Republican? Yes.
Must a Christian vote for a Democrat/Republican? NO!

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Voting is fairly useless as it gives into the illusion that democracy exists. So I dont know where you get the idea that I am an avid fan of the Republicans.

FenderTL5 said:

agree, I vehemently oppose trickle-down, supply-side, horse and sparrow, neoliberalism of which both parties participate to a degree - the GOP more than Democrats.

okay. You advocate for them incessantly but okay.

I would say, depending on the issue, either can be worse

I disagree. I see absolute adherence to either equally dispicable. The traditional 'Catholic' political positions align more closely with democrats with one **MAJOR** exception which is:

..there it is. The, coup de grâce, the epitome of political sins for single issue adherents.
and I do agree, that is the pet issue of most democrats and is certainly part of their party policy which is intolerable and keeps me from supporting them.

That said, I am unabashedly pro-life. I consider abortion through the lens of life being sacred, but also consider capital punishment and euthanasia in the same light. In addition, I see pro-life overlapping into issues of poverty, health care, war, guns, immigration, and protection of minorities and seniors. Life is sacred, all of it.

Anecdotally, Roe vs Wade passed when I was 10 years old. It was the proverbial law of the land for almost all of my adult life (until recently). Yet - somehow my family was able to withstand abortion. Neither my mom/parents, my wife, nor my daughter (who is almost 40, w/two children) have been subjected to abortions. We followed our beliefs, and the Church's standard, and never considered abortion as an option. No one was forced to get one.
There are political issues that our family has been forced to endure and they are issues championed by the GOP.
One, complete lack of healthcare at times and at all times healthcare that is unaffordable. I have insurance through my employer that I can't afford to use. A LARGE deduction from my weekly paycheck and a 15K deductible before the insurance company pays a cent. Currently, as I type, the insurance company is in a dispute with the local hospital group and the hospital will not accept my insurance. Healthcare in the US is great for those who can afford it. The rest of us either go without or bankrupt. The GOP has no plan, policy, or has floated ideas that only make things worse.

secondly, as one member of the the first Trump Adminstration (and current senior advisor) so elequantly called it, "the downward pressure on wages." It is legal in this state to pay workers $2.13 per hour. There is no minimum wage, other than the one at risk under the GOP in D.C.
Wages are stagnant and have been for years. I have family members who have been subjected to less than livable wages. The GOP opposes living wages. In fact, many (if not most) would favor eliminating the minimum wage altogether.
I could go on.. but I bolded a paragraph above and it covers most of it. However as I see it, the GOP fails once you get beyond the first sentence in that paragraph.
[EDIT to ADD] as it applies to the thread title; Can a Christian vote for a Democrat/Republican? Yes.
Must a Christian vote for a Democrat/Republican? NO!

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So how do we get the American Solidarity Party to launch? Right now it's acting like a stillborn. Yes, I voted for their presidential candidate and encouraged others to do so. But my vote was never even tallied in the precinct I voted in.

chevyontheriver said:

So how do we get the American Solidarity Party to launch? Right now it's acting like a stillborn.

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I'd suggest running candidates for offices more local than US President. State legislature, for example, could be a good place to start. As I look over the ASP's party platform, I'm seeing a lot that's local: zoning laws, local public transportation, public school budgets and curriculum, and so forth. It's easier to gather votes in a single city or county than it is to gather votes across the whole country. I see from their website that a few ASP candidates have been elected to local offices. It's a start.

If there's a local ASP chapter in your area, you could see if there's volunteer work you could contribute -- door-to-door canvassing, petitions, local speakers, staffing a table at a local market or festival, etc.

I sympathize. I have a friend who's active in the Green Party (ran for local office one year, even), and they've had similar trouble getting off the ground. Ranked-choice voting would help, but that probably requires a constitutional amendment, alas.

Michie said:

Good question. I have wondered the same. We need to break out of the D&R prison.

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It IS a prison.

As long as they support the slaughter of the unborn and promote sodomy... There is no way I could ever vote for a democrat.