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Most Christians say they would never vote for a Democrat, poll finds

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Republican social politics do not seem Christian, though. They always sell things like abortion or LGBT, but then, after being elected, not Christian policies are actually implemented
Right, if they were an actual conservative Christian party they'd be trying to turn back the legalization of these things completely, but they tend to settle for half-measures like outlawing intentional infanticide after 6 weeks, not from conception, or leaving it to the states rather than implementing a federal ban. This is why I would say they're the moderate party for Christians (not a "Christian party," i.e. one that promotes Christianity as part of its platform, but a "party for Christians," i.e. one for which many of its values align with those of Christians).
 
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Right, if they were an actual conservative Christian party they'd be trying to turn back the legalization of these things completely, but they tend to settle for half-measures like outlawing intentional infanticide after 6 weeks, not from conception, or leaving it to the states rather than implementing a federal ban. This is why I would say they're the moderate party for Christians (not a "Christian party," i.e. one that promotes Christianity as part of its platform, but a "party for Christians," i.e. one for which many of its values align with those of Christians).
I would not say they are a moderate party for Christians. I would rather say they always throw you a bone to distract you from their non-Christian pro-corporation policies. They lack the social justice of Christianity.

Instead of being misused and always choosing a lesser evil, you should create and vote for a proper Christian party.
 
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Republican social, tax or environmental policies do not seem Christian, though. They rather seem to be a party for wealthy corporations. They always sell things like abortion or LGBT to Christian voters, but then, after being elected, no Christian policies are actually implemented, rather Democrats do them - for example Obama care.
The above is another example why I'm cynical about the poll: Christians have differences in opinion. Ironically, big corporations also seem to adore Democrats, but be that as it may, Obama care is a good example of that difference of opinion. There are Christians with the opinion that Christian compassion demands they must support things like Obama care. Yet buried in Obama care is a provision that doctors cannot refer patients to hospitals where they have a financial interest. The problem is that in rural areas, the first hospitals were owned by individual doctors, then by medical groups of doctors. Without that, there wouldn't have been a hospital in the first place. The unstated intent of that provision was likely the potential of fraud. A consequence of it is that doctors could no longer put up their own hospitals, as they did in the past. Coincidental or not, have seen more rural hospitals close after Obama care than before, and that hardly seems a good exercise of compassion.

This is were we get into Christians having a difference of opinion in how is the best way to accomplish something. Like the often very real question of whether you give someone in need of help cash or instead give them food or directly pay a utility bill or whatever.

Note also the very accurate observation of just because someone claims to support Christian ideals doesn't mean they actually do so. It's easy to claim something and not follow through.

Yet, using the cited post as an example there's something else here: a perception that may stay the hand in selecting a GOP candidate. That same perception is, I think, what kept some Evangelicals voting Democrat. Those aforementioned ministers who had participated in the Civil Rights Movement? I don't think any of them changed parties from Democrat to Republican. I also remember people who were so set against the GOP that they supported small third parties that never gained traction or widespread notice rather than vote GOP. In my own family, had members who said they were Independent until, in the 1960s, "Independent," at least locally, took on the aspect of a political party supporting specific things and not actually independent.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot: Let's say that, against the current trend, the Democrats see the secular political light and pull away from various things of dubious morality in the eyes of Christians. I'm not convinced that the perception among Christians that feel the Democrats have abandoned them would vanish overnight. That old perception is likely to persist for some time, especially if the political parties don't do an immediate flip-flop of what they support. In this situation, another poll with the exact opposite results of this one wouldn't mean a significant change at the polls. Just as I don't think this poll indicates a major change that's going to show up in the voting booths.
 
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You have to realize that there were probably some liberal Christians who responded, changing the results of the poll.
For such a poll, I would hope they did.

Me? When Caller ID shows a polling company, I don't pick up the phone. When someone starts with a survey, I hang up.
 
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For such a poll, I would hope they did.

Me? When Caller ID shows a polling company, I don't pick up the phone. When someone starts with a survey, I hang up.
If I was ever called by a polling company I wouldn’t hesitate to respond because pollsters have admitted they lean heavily left in the people they contact. That is why the polls were so far off the first time Trump won.
 
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Republican social, tax or environmental policies do not seem Christian, though. They rather seem to be a party for wealthy corporations. They always sell things like abortion or LGBT to Christian voters, but then, after being elected, no Christian policies are actually implemented, rather Democrats do them - for example Obama care.

But Democrats are too "woke" and their abortion and other policies are extreme. Therefore, instead of always choosing the lesser evil, Christians in the USA should create a moderate Christian party. Something like: Christian democracy - Wikipedia
Did you know all the wealthiest corporations in America donated millions upon millions to Biden’s re-election? It is the left who has become the party of the corporate elite.
 
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Did you know all the wealthiest corporations in America donated millions upon millions to Biden’s re-election? It is the left who has become the party of the corporate elite.
I am not talking about donations, I am talking about pro-corporation policies. I am sure some companies or rich people vote for Democrats.

However, my whole point is that, Christians in the USA should vote for a Christian party like the American Solidarity Party, instead of being ping-ponged between the current bipartisan system and supporting tons of antiChristian or extreme policies in the package. Only in a moderate Christian party can the US Christians get a wholesome package of Christian policies without also voting for wars, wokeness, extreme feminism, authoritarianism, narcissists, liars, non-working social status quo, corporatism, fanaticism etc.
 
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The only surprising thing about this result is that these numbers aren't higher.
I’m not that surprised, either.
 
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Why don't Christians in the USA create a moderate Christian party, as is common in many Western countries, for example in Germany?

Democrats do not seem to be extra Christian-friendly and Republicans seem to rather manipulate Christians to vote for them while not being really a Christian party.
We have such a party, the American Solidarity Party, based on the European Christian Democrats. But the problem is Democrats say we have to save the world and vote for a Democrat and once we save the world we can then shift for a better Party. And not to be outdone, the Republicans say we have to save the world and vote for a Republican and once we save the world we can then shift for a better Party. The middle is squeezed out by the extremes. We get one of the extremes because we buy into the crisis propaganda where we think we HAVE TO vote for one of these two parties or it will be the end of the world. So the end of the world gets a little bit closer.
 
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Why vote for a party that is antithetical to your religious values?
Back in my youth, when I shouldn't have been reading MAD magazine, but did, one issue had a short riff on the poem There Was a Crooked Man. In this version, the crooked man was a generic crooked politician, and the poem named some of the crooked things he was involved with. At the end of the short poem, he was re-elected because the other candidate "...was crookeder than he."

That's pretty much what's going on with a third or more of voters today. Elections aren't like a choice between Caligula and Constantine; it's more like a choice between Claudius and Augustus. You don't really expect either one to be Christians. Other things end up influencing our choice. That includes when a candidate and party supports what we consider immoral, but we consider that overall we think there are offsetting factors.

Here we could get into a sharp debate, which isn't my point. I look at some candidates and wonder how on earth anyone could vote for them, while those on the other political side look at their opponents and thing the same thing.
 
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I am not talking about donations, I am talking about pro-corporation policies. I am sure some companies or rich people vote for Democrats.

However, my whole point is that, Christians in the USA should vote for a Christian party like the American Solidarity Party, instead of being ping-ponged between the current bipartisan system and supporting tons of antiChristian or extreme policies in the package. Only in a moderate Christian party can the US Christians get a wholesome package of Christian policies without also voting for wars, wokeness, extreme feminism, authoritarianism, narcissists, liars, non-working social status quo, corporatism, fanaticism etc.
Corporations tend to donate to those politicians from whom they can get the friendliest policies.

The problem with voting for a small unknown party is that you are effectively throwing your vote away. That might sound like a sad commentary on the state of today’s political arena, but to take my vote away from Trump just means another vote for Biden/Harris, and that would have doomed this country. I can at least vote for the party that best represents the founding father’s vision and who at least give Christians the right to exist in agreement with the Constitution.
 
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I'm not defending the Republicans but the Democrats operate on an Anti Christian agenda which if successful would erode Christianity within society. Every social policy and every economic policy. The democrats are particularly anti Christian.
imho, the republicans are no less "anti/pro-Christian" than the democrats.
The neoliberalsim of Reagan et al has done as much, if not more, damage to the family unit as any gay pride parade.
The democrats wanted to make it possible for mom to be in the workplace, GOP policy then made it necessity.
 
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The problem with voting for a small unknown party is that you are effectively throwing your vote away. .
Voting with a clear conscience is not throwing your vote away. A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.
 
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The problem with voting for a small unknown party is that you are effectively throwing your vote away. That might sound like a sad commentary on the state of today’s political arena, but to take my vote away from Trump just means another vote for Biden/Harris, and that would have doomed this country. I can at least vote for the party that best represents the founding father’s vision and who at least give Christians the right to exist in agreement with the Constitution.
Yes, the two big parties make a BIG DEAL about how you shouldn't throw your vote away. They told me that if I didn't vote for Trump it would be just like voting for Biden. And the other guys said that if I didn't vote for Biden it would be an effective vote for Trump. Here's the problem. Most people voted to STOP the other guy. I count all of those votes as wasted. Very few voted FOR a candidate. I did. I didn't waste my vote. My guy got few votes. But I didn't waste my vote voting for Biden or Harris OR Trump.
 
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Yes, the two big parties make a BIG DEAL about how you shouldn't throw your vote away. They told me that if I didn't vote for Trump it would be just like voting for Biden. And the other guys said that if I didn't vote for Biden it would be an effective vote for Trump. Here's the problem. Most people voted to STOP the other guy. I count all of those votes as wasted. Very few voted FOR a candidate. I did. I didn't waste my vote. My guy got few votes. But I didn't waste my vote voting for Biden or Harris OR Trump.

Ranked-choice voting might help alleviate that sense that we too often get handed a losing dichotomy. Perhaps I don't get my first choice, but if I get my second or third, my vote still matters. It's inherently a moderate approach to voting; whereas, having two de facto parties lends itself to extremes.

Just in case someone is curious:
 
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Yes, the two big parties make a BIG DEAL about how you shouldn't throw your vote away. They told me that if I didn't vote for Trump it would be just like voting for Biden. And the other guys said that if I didn't vote for Biden it would be an effective vote for Trump. Here's the problem. Most people voted to STOP the other guy. I count all of those votes as wasted. Very few voted FOR a candidate. I did. I didn't waste my vote. My guy got few votes. But I didn't waste my vote voting for Biden or Harris OR Trump.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. A vote against socialism/communism is a vote for the vision of the founding fathers. That is not a waste, IMO.
 
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imho, the republicans are no less "anti/pro-Christian" than the democrats.
The neoliberalsim of Reagan et al has done as much, if not more, damage to the family unit as any gay pride parade.
The democrats wanted to make it possible for mom to be in the workplace, GOP policy then made it necessity.
The two dominant parties, both inherently committed to some form of liberalism are awful. So I dont disagree that the Republicans are bad but I wouldnt say they're equal and if Christians were to have influence as Christians it would be within the Republicans rather than the democrats. The latter of whom expect a blood pact with Baal In order to work with them (this is an exaggeration but abortion is a central policy position of the DNC).
 
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