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Where in the Gospel are we taught that communities cannot regulate who enters or leaves?
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Catholic bishop condemns immigration enforcement on church property: 'Not of the Gospel'
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ralliann
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Yes..it finally made it there.
The cases work their way through
Against all...yes. But that is not the case here.
Not like America. When has the Vatican rebuked the Mexican government for their corruption? The government that has created such deplorable living conditions for their people? Where was the criticism of allowing all the countries people come through their country to illegally come into ours? Nope, just criticism of America for getting them out, back into their countries of origin.
They come here for a reason, and the lack in their own countries is not handled by Churches equally or justly.
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Because Roman law allowed different religions to judge their own citizens
No they did not...
Baloney. I ju8st gave you scripture concerning Paul....
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
1 ¶ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. {ordained: or, ordered }
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 ¶ Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another; for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
The above concerns TAXPAYERS, CITIZENS concerning secular rulers.
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I don't understand. What nations allow foreigners who are illegally in their country to stay as long as they stay inside a church?
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And SCOTUS told him that he was violating the Constitution.
Why? He violated Garcia's rights and SCOTUS told he to bring him back, which he refused to do.
Do you read the Catholic News Service? America is no different.
Usually it's the Bishops of a country that rebuke the government.
Yes, we are a rich country.
Very judgemental of you. How much time have you spent in Central America helping the people? The Church has thousands of people working in those poor countries.
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They took away the Jews right to kill about 15 AD. That is why the Romans executed Jesus. The kill Stephen and James plus others of the Church for violating their law
So now you claim that the Apostles broke God's commandment when they preached the Gospel in Gentile nations.
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On which?
You put the scriptures from Paul but Paul broke Roman law. He was jailed several times for breaking laws
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Depends on how you mean "Roman law", as the way the law operated in Rome wasn't exactly through a specified penal code and was largely in the eye of the magistrates. So while Paul ran afoul of certain governors, whether or not he transgressed a legal statute is highly questionable. It was likely more a means of trying to quell public outrage at his preaching than him violating a law since the most likely law that applied to Paul's imprisonments was the coercitio power of governors.
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Law did Change when the temple was destroyed. A new Sanhedrin was given over to the Pharisees for Judaism by Rome. Christianity was made illegal...It was in Yavneh. Prior to that Christianity was considered a sect of Judaism. The apostles attended temple worship. The foundation and center of JUDAISM. When Synagogue Judaism took over as is today, they were declared apostates to another religion. Religions had to be authorized in Rome...Therefore no longer a Judaism, nor another pagan religion that was approved by Rome, they were illegit.
Ac 28:22 But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.
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Jews in the first century usually attended synagogues as well. There was no sharp break from Second Temple Judaism to Rabbinic Judaism in that respect. In fact, criticism of the Second Temple priesthood is something you see even in the Jewish Talmud.
Of course some early followers of Jesus worshipped in the temple. But they didn't participate in the temple sacrificial system. They just went there to pray.
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Churches have always criticized laws they believe are unjust or immoral. What do you think they were doing for the last 40 years about abortion?
These immigrants are primarily Catholic parishioners in the Churches who "shepherd" them. Would the Good Shepherd throw his sheep to.the wolves?
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Not like they have America. They are expecting the US to take them in, despite being here illegally. Taking our money we paid taxes for our own people. Social security for the seniors, FEMA money to help with disaster relief. They have not demanded their own government provide for their own like that.
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Religions didn't have to be authorized in Rome, the only religious enforcement was that they couldn't interfere with emperor worship. Which is why Judaism caused such problems for the Romans with its insistence on monotheistic worship.
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yes they did. As your next comment acknowledges.
You acknowledge The Romans decided which religions would be legit..JUDAISM was given an EXCEPTION from and Emperor worship and idols.
Which is why Judaism was given an exemption. Which exemption I believe extended to their proselytes, as God fearing Gentiles attending synagogue every Sabbath.
Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
When The Apostles were no longer considered a Judaism, they lost this exemption. Along with their God fearing Gentiles.
This therefore would result in crimes not of which were done, but rather what they would not do.
Jn 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. {offended: scandalized or, made to stumble }
2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
Mt 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Mt 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
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