Catholic bishop condemns immigration enforcement on church property: 'Not of the Gospel'

[Yarddog]

Does the Catholic Church care about laws?

Yes, does the Trump administration?

I don't understand the attitude towards America here.

Why, the Church loves America.

Why don't they help these people by criticizing their own government that causes their desire to leave their own nation?

They do and one way is to help those seeking a safe place to raise their family to find it

Instead, they criticize a nation that has created better things for it's own peopls?

The Church loves all people and not just Americans.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Does the modern Catholic Church advocate for the abolition of borders and nation states or something?

 

[ralliann]

Yes, does the Trump administration?

Yes.

Why, the Church loves America.

They do and one way is to help those seeking a safe place to raise their family to find it

Why expect America to allow people to enter into our country illegally?

The Church loves all people and not just Americans.

Why not criticize their own corrupt governments that make people leave?

 

[Yarddog]

Yes.

Why do they ignore so many laws, then.

Why expect America to allow people to enter into our country illegally?

Who expects them to allow them to enter illegally?

Why not criticize their own corrupt governments that make people leave?

The Church does. It criticizes all governments that abuses people, including the US.

 

[RileyG]

Does the modern Catholic Church advocate for the abolition of borders and nation states or something?

No?

 

[ralliann]

Why do they ignore so many laws, then.

They don't.

Who expects them to allow them to enter illegally?

They did.

The Church does. It criticizes all governments that abuses people, including the US.

No it does not. People are not coming here in the millions because we abuse people. Get real!

 

[Yarddog]

They don't.

Then why do Federal judges tell them they are and Republicans ignore this and help Trump.

They did.

No, they expect people who claim to be Christian to act like it and be compassionate toward people looking for help.

No it does not. People are not coming here in the millions because we abuse people. Get real!

They did.

Then why do Federal judges tell them they are and Republicans ignore this and help Trump.

No it does not.

Oh, are you in 3rd world countries with the Catholic priests trying to comfort those oppressed people?

People are not coming here in the millions because we abuse people. Get real!

Who said that but the US has abused people who are here, wanting to deport those that have spent most of their lives here. They came here as children and are good people, many having served in the military.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Then why do Federal judges tell them they are and Republicans ignore this and help Trump.



No, they expect people who claim to be Christian to act like it and be compassionate toward people looking for help.

Where in Christianity are we taught that compassion is allowing people to illegally enter and use your territory?.

Does Christianity not recognize borders or laws which exclude non citizens?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

No?

Then why do they support illegal migrants?

 

[Yarddog]

Where in Christianity are we taught that compassion is allowing people to illegally enter and use your territory?.

The Church isn't allowing people to enter the country illegally. They are just showing compassion to people who have entered the country illegally and need help.

Where in Christianity are we told to ignore the sinner in need?

Does Christianity not recognize borders or laws which exclude non citizens?

The Church doesn't make laws. They follow Christ. Breaking man's laws doesn't condemn anyone. The Apostles travelled throughout the known world, ignoring borders. Those that followed the Apostles did as well. Sometimes that led to imprisonment and death but spreading God's love was their passion.

 

[FenderTL5]

The Catholic church was a place to seek refuge from injustice not justice.

Agree; the suspension of habeas corpus and due process are injustices. We didn't see masses flocking into Churches for sanctuary prior to the suspension of legal protocol.

 

[RileyG]

Then why do they support illegal migrants?

The Church is the mystical body of Christ. One bishop's opinion does not equal all...

 

[ralliann]

Then why do Federal judges tell them they are and Republicans ignore this and help Trump.

They didn't ignore it, they appealed to a higher court. It has been ruled on by the higher court. The spreme court has decided the lower courts were unconstitutional in their rulings.

No, they expect people who claim to be Christian to act like it and be compassionate toward people looking for help.

No, they are speaking against our government and laws concerning our borders and immigration law.

Then why do Federal judges tell them they are and Republicans ignore this and help Trump.

Oh, are you in 3rd world countries with the Catholic priests trying to comfort those oppressed people?

Who said that but the US has abused people who are here, wanting to deport those that have spent most of their lives here. They came here as children and are good people, many having served in the military.

They do not call out their governments for their corruption, and policies that create these situations in the first place.

 

[ralliann]

The Church is the mystical body of Christ. One bishop's opinion does not equal all...

Similarly they do with Israel as they do with the US...​

From Times of Israel​

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‘No deportations’: Vatican says Palestinians must ‘stay on their land’​

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A top Vatican official rejects US President Donald Trump’s proposal to move Palestinians from Gaza, saying “The Palestinian population must remain on its land.”
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Very few "Catholics" (christians) are left in Gaza. This is simply support for Hamas...

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

The Church isn't allowing people to enter the country illegally. They are just showing compassion to people who have entered the country illegally and need help.

Where in Christianity are we told to ignore the sinner in need?

So the Church is aiding and abetting the breaking of the law? Should the USA and other countries cease to have borders? Would that be the Christian position in your mind? Allow anyone to enter without restraint?

The Church doesn't make laws. They follow Christ. Breaking man's laws doesn't condemn anyone. The Apostles travelled throughout the known world, ignoring borders. Those that followed the Apostles did as well. Sometimes that led to imprisonment and death but spreading God's love was their passion.

Some laws are righteously implemented and that is the order God commands. A murderer can be legally and righteously executed per the law. Are all laws to be ignored in your view in the name of compassion?

A view which ignores the law and political reality of communities can never be implemented without a large amount of chaos following.

 

[ralliann]

The Church isn't allowing people to enter the country illegally. They are just showing compassion to people who have entered the country illegally and need help.

Where in Christianity are we told to ignore the sinner in need?

The Church doesn't make laws. They follow Christ. Breaking man's laws doesn't condemn anyone. The Apostles travelled throughout the known world, ignoring borders. Those that followed the Apostles did as well. Sometimes that led to imprisonment and death but spreading God's love was their passion.

What are you suggesting here? The Apostles did not violate law. What are you suggesting as man's law
Here is Paul...
1. Law of Jew's
2. law regarding temple
3. law of Caesar
Rom 25:8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.
9 But Festus, willing to do the Jews a pleasure, answered Paul, and said, Wilt thou go up to Jerusalem, and there be judged of these things before me?

Judgement seat of Caesar where he OUGHT TO BE JUDGED...Because of his CITIZENSHIP as a Roman...

10 Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar’s judgment seat, where I ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very well knowest.
11 For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I
appeal unto Caesar.

His citizenship was the reason....

Ac 22:25 And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said unto the centurion that stood by, Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned?
Ac 22:26 When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what thou doest: for this man is a Roman.
Ac 22:27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.
Ac 22:29 Then straightway they departed from him which should have examined him: and the chief captain also was afraid, after he knew that he was a Roman, and because he had bound him. {examined him: or, tortured him }
Ac 23:27 This man was taken of the Jews, and should have been killed of them: then came I with an army, and rescued him, having understood that he was a Roman.

 

[Yarddog]

They didn't ignore it, they appealed to a higher court.

There is no higher court than SCOTUS.

It has been ruled on by the higher court. The spreme court has decided the lower courts were unconstitutional in their rulings.

In some cases SCOTUS has overturned a lower court but most cases have ruled against Trump. He refused to obey them in some of those making him a law breakers.

No, they are speaking against our government and laws concerning our borders and immigration law.

That is his place. Jesus spoke against Israel and the law breakers there. Men of God are supposed to speak out against the sin of all

They do not call out their governments for their corruption, and policies that create these situations in the first place.

Catholic priests, Bishops, Cardinals, and Popes have spoken out against governments all around the world.

 

[Yarddog]

So the Church is aiding and abetting the breaking of the law?

And? They are supposed to help those in need. They are also willing to except whatever punishment evil men impose on them.

Should the USA and other countries cease to have borders?

No one has said anything close to that.

Would that be the Christian position in your mind? Allow anyone to enter without restraint?

Keep our arms open to God's children that are looking for a better place.

Some laws are righteously implemented and that is the order God commands.

The Church agrees but many immigration laws are not righteous.

A murderer can be legally and righteously executed per the law.

So, you believe many soldiers or those that bombed children can be executed.

Are all laws to be ignored in your view in the name of compassion?

No one said anything close to that either. God's Holy Spirit leads us to be compassionate, to love all. Even our enemies. That doesn't mean that we allow all things. That doesn't mean that we kill the killer, either.

Too many people fail to heed God's Spirit.

A view which ignores the law and political reality of communities can never be implemented without a large amount of chaos following.

Only in the minds of those that fall to listen.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

And? They are supposed to help those in need. They are also willing to except whatever punishment evil men impose on them.

Is it evil to have borders?

No one has said anything close to that.

Can you answer the question?

Keep our arms open to God's children that are looking for a better place.

And you should be willing to accept that there are consequences for entering a country illegally.

The Church agrees but many immigration laws are not righteous.

Can there be any limitations on who enters a country?

So, you believe many soldiers or those that bombed children can be executed.

Yeah. Obama and Trump could be legally executed.

No one said anything close to that either. God's Holy Spirit leads us to be compassionate, to love all. Even our enemies. That doesn't mean that we allow all things. That doesn't mean that we kill the killer, either.

Historically Christians have always executed murderers when in power .

 

[Yarddog]

What are you suggesting here? The Apostles did not violate law.

Why did the Jews arrest them and kill them. They broke the orders of those in charge. They broke Roman law and Greek laws.

But they didn't break God's. They spoke the Gospel when it was unlawful in other places.