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The Man on the middle cross said I could come.

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"The Man on the middle cross said I could come."

And for no other reason.

This short video is, IMHO, about the best summation of the Good News I've ever heard.

I do disagree with one statement at the end, if I understand correctly but I'm sure he clarified... our profession of faith is VITAL. To paraphrase Jesus, no one filled with His Light hides HIM from the world. "So let your Light shine" can only be genuinely expressed by placing oneself on a stand where everyone can be drawn to Him.

If we don't openly glorify His Name and His words, then anyone looking at us will conclude that we are bragging of our own goodness, and seeking the praise of men.

No different or unrecognizable from the sinful pursuit of the unbeliever.

Luke 9:26
"Whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when He comes in His glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels."

"The Man on the middle cross said I could come." is in fact the very best profession we can make before men.

Saved by grace, sustained by grace.

Christ's invitation to ALL...

 

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I agree. He chose you. He saves you. It's all him. Glory to him.

"Everyone who the Father gives to me will come to me. & whoever comes to me I will never cast out"

But be warned of easy-beleiveism The thief on the cross confesses to the kingdom, he still recognizes who Jesus is.
But why did he confess to the kingdom? The Father chose him & saved him & was all him to his glory
 
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That it’s all him is also why you are not saved b/c you repeat a prayer, respond to an altar call, check a box you’re a Christian, have been to church a few times, or get a fuzzy feeling when you hear about Jesus: you are saved b/c he saves you.

“I will give them a new heart”

He saved you, is saving you, & will save you.
 
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I agree. He chose you. He saves you. It's all him. Glory to him.

"Everyone who the Father gives to me will come to me. & whoever comes to me I will never cast out"

But be warned of easy-believism. The thief on the cross confesses to the kingdom, he still recognizes who Jesus is.
But why did he confess to the kingdom? The Father chose him & saved him & was all him to his glory
Agreed wholeheartedly! I believe there is a remedy to the temptation to interpret this testimony of the thief as easy-believism - if one carefully considers just what happened with that pentitent thief - as opposed to the unrepentant thief.

Luke 23:32-43

"Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots."

"The people stood watching, and the rulers even sneered at him. They said, “He saved others; let him save himself if he is God’s Messiah, the Chosen One.”

"The soldiers also came up and mocked him. They offered him wine vinegar and said, “If you are the king of the Jews, save yourself.”

"There was a written notice above him, which read: this is the king of the jews."

"One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

"But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

"Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."

"Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Examination:

"Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left."

These two - both guilty and deserving - now had the premier front row seats to witness the greatest act of evil - and the greatest response of Love - that could ever be demonstrated by our Creator to a world of rebellious, stiff-necked, ungrateful, petulant, unbelieving and doubtful children.

Thank the good Lord that He is "kind to the ungrateful and wicked" while we were yet sinners. Luke 6:35

"Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots."

All creation witnesses here God's intent for every created being - that none should perish. Jesus prayed this for ALL of us - without making distinctions between who was pre-ordained to salvation and who was not. The truly chosen are made evident by our response to this holy prayer. No one can claim coercion by God.

"The people stood watching, and the rulers even sneered at him. They said, “He saved others; let him save himself if he is God’s Messiah, the Chosen One.”

This is the response of those whose focus is on this temporal life, loving the darkness and coveting the deceitful pleasures of sin above the joy of knowing God.

"The soldiers also came up and mocked him. They offered him wine vinegar and said, “If you are the king of the Jews, save yourself.”

This is one of the pivotal moments of Christ's crucifixion. This was, in fact, one of the devil's last temptations toward Christ.

The other Gospels, in harmony with Luke, indicate that Jesus tasted of this mixture and refused it.

Note: Jesus simply stated that He thirsted - His only appeal for the smallest measure of relief from the cross. He did not specify the drink.

He is offered wine, which would have dulled the sense of pain somewhat - He refused. He had already proclaimed He would not drink of the fruit of the vine until the arrival of His coming Kingdom. Jesus kept His promise.

Also, wine is for kings. Once again, Almighty God humbles Himself before all creation.

He is also offered vinegar, which is bitter. What man who has ever walked this earth could claim more right to be bitter towards God than His own perfectly obedient Son, and bitter toward all of us wretches who nailed Him there?

Who was tempting Him to abandon the integrity of His faith and curse God under the pressure of the most intense suffering - the full wrath of God, ie: hell - and unto death?

Satan. How He lusted to induce Jesus to proclaim God a liar along with him. As he lusts for us to do.

We've seen this temptation before. Job's wife: "Are you still maintaining your integrity? Curse God and die!" Job 2:9

Who here of faith has never been tempted likewise? Who amongst us will refuse to do so and walk away from God - clinging to His promises unto death?

Another note about bitterness. It is referred to as wormwood in the OT. That worm of bitterness will never die in the hearts of the eternally damned - towards God ("gnashing of teeth"), and towards His children - an intense jealousy and envy and hatred that will never subside.

Weeping only for self - and no one else. The eternal "unjust victim" who doesn't get to be their own god after all.

"There was a written notice above him, which read: this is the king of the jews."

Little did His executioners and mockers know how profound a declaration this is. For all believers past and present - Jew and Gentile - are spiritual children of Abraham. "King of the Jews" means King of Kings and Lord of Lords over ALL creation - and effectual towards those who accept the Bridegroom's proposal and are grafted into the Body of Christ - the Bride. All One Church united finally.

Our blood doesn't identify us as His eternal children. His blood does.

Now we get to the nutcut. We are all thieves on crosses - witnessing our Savior proposing to us to join in His death and join in His eternal life through faith - sharing His glory.

"One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

There is one choice. Remain focused on this life, desiring a reprieve, so that we can resume indulging in our sinful pleasures and maintain our own sense of godhood. Calling Him Lord with no intent towards gratitude for what He has truly done for us. Using His grace to continue on in demanding the blessings of God, with no desire to seek and know Him and what He commands of us.

"But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

The evidence of this man's saving faith:

Fear and reverance of God - as a righteous Judge. And to follow immediately, acknowledgement that this same God is also the Redeemer Himself.

Repentance - Agreeing with God that he is a sinner deserving of his fate.

Turning from sin - refusing to join in with the other thief to curse and mock the obvious Messiah - even rebuking the tempter openly while enduring the same suffering. (Just like we do - His legitimate children).

Declaring God holy: Recognizing His Son an innocent man, Who bears the image of the Father and is Himself God.

This is the epitome of recognizing God's sovereignty.

"Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."

Final evidence of this man's saving faith:

Declaring faith in the Name of Jesus before all men. An absolute essential component of genuine salvation.

Recognizing Jesus' inheritance and authority over His Father's Kingdom.

Enduring.

Persevering.

Finishing the race.

Fighting the good fight.

Keeping the faith.

Fully sanctified by following Jesus' example.

Purity by faith.

And finally, most joyful of all, bearing much fruit through his testimony - fruit that has remained, lo, these ~ 2000 years. Jesus' supreme desire. And by the preceeding children of faith for the ~ 4000 years prior.

And this blessed thief didn't even know how profoundly Jesus used Him to bring glory to His Father. I wonder if any of His broken vessels of faith throughout the Bible really did.

None of us really know, do we?

How was all this accomplished? By something I just cannot understand myself. By mere fact that God chose us despite our unworthiness then, and now.

Don't we all occasionally ask our Loving Father, why me? I just don't know. But there is the source of our tears and joy - utter gratitude for having been chosen - in His Mind - before He knit us in our mother's womb.

An election activated only because God somehow gave us the gift we weren't even seeking - to recognize Grace Himself when we saw Him - and responding by embracing that Grace - embracing Jesus.

A simple prayer of faith. Like the thief, by just asking.

Why are we saved? Because God says so. Romans 8:16.

And the declaration of all of His children is:

"God says it, I believe it, that settles it."

Jesus affirmed His identity to the last breath in commiting His Spirit to *His Father*.

Why shouldn't we?

The faith of a little child.

Easy believism? Cheap grace? Hardly!

A visual of this our testimony is attached. This is one of my brothers in Christ on this past Father's Day with his sons. We who are in the know... know exactly Who his shirt is quoting!

Is there a better declaration of our faith?

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That it’s all him is also why you are not saved b/c you repeat a prayer, respond to an altar call, check a box you’re a Christian, have been to church a few times, or get a fuzzy feeling when you hear about Jesus: you are saved b/c he saves you.

“I will give them a new heart”

He saved you, is saving you, & will save you.

A prayer, an altar call, or all alone just between us and God (which is the reality anyway) - you are right - it is the genuiness and commitment made in our hearts - as desperately wicked as they are - that God recognizes - because only He can see the heart:

Romans 10:8-11

But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”

And you are right again. This salvation is wholly initiated by God, and performed by God. Removing our hearts of stone and replacing them with HIS heart of flesh. It is a lifelong process He calls sanctification and being transformed into the image of Christ.

Note carefully, though, the gift of His Spirit is granted at the moment of salvation - sealing us as eternally secure based entirely on His promise alone:

Ezekiel 36:26

"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh."

God bless us all who believe and receive!
 
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I agree. He chose you. He saves you. It's all him. Glory to him.

"Everyone who the Father gives to me will come to me. & whoever comes to me I will never cast out"

But be warned of easy-beleiveism The thief on the cross confesses to the kingdom, he still recognizes who Jesus is.
But why did he confess to the kingdom? The Father chose him & saved him & was all him to his glory
From What is “easy-believism”?

The term “easy-believism” is a usually derogatory label, used to characterize the faulty understanding of the nature of saving faith adhered to by much of contemporary Evangelicalism, most notably (and extremely) by such Dispensational authors as Charles Ryrie and Zane Hodges. The term was popularized in an ongoing debate between Hodges, to whose theology the label “easy-believism” was affixed, and John MacArthur, to whom the term “lordship salvation” came to be applied.​
Essentially, the teaching of “easy-believism” (which proponents prefer to call “free grace,” or some similar term), asserts that the faith which saves is mere intellectual assent to the truths of the gospel, accompanied by an appeal to Christ for salvation...​

I do not understand why those who adhere to reformed theology care at all about "easy believism" or "lordship salvation". Though polar opposites, neither one could possibly impinge on TULIP. Or am I missing something?
 
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From What is “easy-believism”?

The term “easy-believism” is a usually derogatory label, used to characterize the faulty understanding of the nature of saving faith adhered to by much of contemporary Evangelicalism, most notably (and extremely) by such Dispensational authors as Charles Ryrie and Zane Hodges. The term was popularized in an ongoing debate between Hodges, to whose theology the label “easy-believism” was affixed, and John MacArthur, to whom the term “lordship salvation” came to be applied.​
Essentially, the teaching of “easy-believism” (which proponents prefer to call “free grace,” or some similar term), asserts that the faith which saves is mere intellectual assent to the truths of the gospel, accompanied by an appeal to Christ for salvation...​

I do not understand why those who adhere to reformed theology care at all about "easy believism" or "lordship salvation". Though polar opposites, neither one could possibly impinge on TULIP. Or am I missing something?
Where I'm coming from is the pastor in the video says the thief on the cross will say in heaven 'I have no idea why I'm here'. The pastor is saying like when you die, you'll just wake up in heaven & you'll have no idea why. That's ignorance. The thief on the cross knew why before he got there.

We care about easy-believism b/c it can give people a false assurance.
Easy-belevism is also more interested in the numbers game "how many bodies can we get here?' then genuineness & the truth
 
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Where I'm coming from is the pastor in the video says the thief on the cross will say in heaven 'I have no idea why I'm here'. The pastor is saying like when you die, you'll just wake up in heaven & you'll have no idea why. That's ignorance. The thief on the cross knew why before he got there.
I agree with your assessment.
We care about easy-believism b/c it can give people a false assurance.
OK, but why in the world is that an issue? Neither assurance nor lack of assurance (whether true or false) is critical to a person's salvation under the TULIP paradigm, is it?
Easy-belevism is also more interested in the numbers game "how many bodies can we get here?' then genuineness & the truth
Again, what interest is there in "the numbers game"? What difference does it make? God chooses the number, that number will be saved, and what we think about who is saved or how many are saved has no effect, right?
 
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Where I'm coming from is the pastor in the video says the thief on the cross will say in heaven 'I have no idea why I'm here'. The pastor is saying like when you die, you'll just wake up in heaven & you'll have no idea why. That's ignorance. The thief on the cross knew why before he got there.

We care about easy-believism b/c it can give people a false assurance.
Easy-belevism is also more interested in the numbers game "how many bodies can we get here?' then genuineness & the truth
I took it to mean he had no idea based on his own merits or intellectual mastery of "theology".

He appealed rather to Jesus' promise - which is recognizing His grace. He knew *exactly* why he was there.

As for assurance prior, we have no record of anything said by him after Jesus assured him. Though, for myself, I believe he continued to his death assured because he had just been promised by Jesus face-to-face.

Even more blessed are we who believe without seeing Him, eh?
 
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I agree with your assessment.

OK, but why in the world is that an issue? Neither assurance nor lack of assurance (whether true or false) is critical to a person's salvation under the TULIP paradigm, is it?

Again, what interest is there in "the numbers game"? What difference does it make? God chooses the number, that number will be saved, and what we think about who is saved or how many are saved has no effect, right?
If one hears the Holy Spirit affirming their sonship, they have assurance based on the ability to hear His voice.

I have to seriously wonder whether someone who doesn't have that assurance is really saved - if they can't hear His voice.

It is precisely what Jesus promised - that His sheep (being led by His Spirit) would hear His voice and follow Him.

What is faith without assurance? Is it not based on mere head knowledge and just "gosh hope I get the thumbs up"?

Aren't the ones who hear that assurance in their spirit the ones who *gasp* actually testify about walking with Him and what He says and does in their personal life, rather than just engaging in endless discussions *about* Him?
 
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If one hears the Holy Spirit affirming their sonship, they have assurance based on the ability to hear His voice.
Yes. This goes hand-in-hand with the prescribed test for salvation...

Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified. (2 Co 13:5)​
I have to seriously wonder whether someone who doesn't have that assurance is really saved - if they can't hear His voice.

It is precisely what Jesus promised - that His sheep (being led by His Spirit) would hear His voice and follow Him.

What is faith without assurance? Is it not based on mere head knowledge and just "gosh hope I get the thumbs up"?
Very true.
Aren't the ones who hear that assurance in their spirit the ones who *gasp* actually testify about walking with Him and what He says and does in their personal life, rather than just engaging in endless discussions *about* Him?
Someone might ask, "How do you know God exists?" My answer would be, "Because I know Him." There are two great verses along these lines...

For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day. (2 Ti 1:12)​

and,

And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. (1 Jn 4:16)​

We know God and experience His love. It doesn't get any better than that.
 
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Where I'm coming from is the pastor in the video says the thief on the cross will say in heaven 'I have no idea why I'm here'. The pastor is saying like when you die, you'll just wake up in heaven & you'll have no idea why.
...... on that day, they will say Lord, when did we give you a glass of water, or take you into our own personal home, or clothe you or feed you ?
So, on that day, they honestly don't know, they are greatly blessed as well as SURPRISED!

..... on that day, they will say Lord, we did this and that in your name, we certainly are glad to be here .... they are rejected though. They did not obey Jesus.

Neither one wakes up in heaven. They are resurrected as written.
 
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...... on that day, they will say Lord, when did we give you a glass of water, or take you into our own personal home, or clothe you or feed you ?
So, on that day, they honestly don't know, they are greatly blessed as well as SURPRISED!

..... on that day, they will say Lord, we did this and that in your name, we certainly are glad to be here .... they are rejected though. They did not obey Jesus.

Neither one wakes up in heaven. They are resurrected as written.
You know, I've often thought that the reason we don't remember all of our good works then is because we gave God all the glory while here - for everything.
 
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This is a bit confusing. Are you just being sarcastic? Otherwise, can you clarify?
Well, no, not sarcastic. I'm not sure why you would ask that. The point is that the human will is never totally removed from the "equation". We can refuse and resist grace, God's initiative, at any point. We have no means of saving ourselves but we can refuse to be saved at the end of the day. God wants none to perish, but some will.
 
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Well, no, not sarcastic. I'm not sure why you would ask that. The point is that the human will is never totally removed from the "equation". We can refuse and resist grace, God's initiative, at any point. We have no means of saving ourselves but we can refuse to be saved at the end of the day. God wants none to perish, but some will.
When you say, "the only thing we can do is refuse the invitation", it seems like you are saying the only choice we can make is to not accept the invitation, as if the choice to accept the invitation is not possible. It is a confusing message given your insistance that making the right choices is the path to eternal life.
 
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When you say, "the only thing we can do is refuse the invitation", it seems like you are saying the only choice we can make is to not accept the invitation, as if the choice to accept the invitation is not possible. It is a confusing message given your insistance that making the right choices is the path to eternal life.
Sorry. Going way back in time, the church has always taught that we cannot find God on our own much less move ourselves to Him, grace and revelation are required in order for us to know Him and even to turn to Him. Our wills come in to play in that we can say "no", we can refuse to open the door when He knocks or we can kick Him out the door later if we so foolishly choose. God does not force himself upon us; He's never been in the business of producing automatons, IOW.
 
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Sorry. Going way back in time, the church has always taught that we cannot find God on our own much less move ourselves to Him, grace and revelation are required in order for us to know Him and even to turn to Him. Our wills come in to play in that we can say "no", we can refuse to open the door when He knocks or we can kick Him out the door later if we so foolishly choose. God does not force himself upon us; He's never been in the business of producing automatons, IOW.
It is silly to say that we are unable to upen the door when He knocks. Otherwise, verses like Revelation 3:20 would be meaningless. I had no idea that there was any such thing as a reformed Catholic.
 
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It is silly to say that we are unable to upen the door when He knocks. Otherwise, verses like Revelation 3:20 would be meaningless. I had no idea that there was any such thing as a reformed Catholic.
I didn't say anything about being unable to open the door; the concept would be that some are unwilling to do so. IOW, there isn't any such thing as a "reformed Catholic"-and certainly no need for one :) .
 
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