Islam attacks Israel

keras said:

More uncalled for thread diversion.

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I can address anything that is discussed in any thread that I want. The topic of the redemption of our bodies was being discussed by you and Douggg, so I can talk about that if I want. Blame yourself if you think the thread is being diverted. It's because of your lack of understanding of Luke 21:28.

keras said:

There is no scripture in any translation that tells of a general resurrection when Jesus Returns.

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Jesus said a time is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected (John 5:28-29). We all know that the dead in Christ will be resurrected when He returns, so the hour He was talking about has to be the hour of His return since the dead in Christ will not be resurrected at any other time except at His return (1 Corinthians 15:22-23, 1 Thess 4:14-17).

keras said:

ONLY the martyrs killed during the period of world Satanic control. The rest of the dead must wait for the thousand years to be over. Revelation 20:4-5
This is diamond hard TRUTH and any other belief is false.

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Why are you willing to interpret that passage in a way that contradicts 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 and 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17? Do you think that Paul didn't know what he was talking about? You need to learn to take clear, straightforward scriptures like 1 Corinthians 15:22-23, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 and John 5:28-29 and use them to help understand more difficult passages like Revelation 20. You do it the other way around, which is unwise.

You also interpret the Bible based on what you watch on the daily news, so you approach to studying scripture is terribly flawed.

keras said:

In no way is Russia interested in attacking Israel at this time. They are mired in the Ukraine.

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I agree. But what it says in Ezekiel 38:4, that God is going to put hooks into the jaws of the nation that Gog is the leader of and bring Gog into the attack on Israel described in Ezekiel 38-39.

Exactly what is going to be the hooks - that is going drag Russia into the attack, we don't know.

But in verse 4 it appears that Russia will be heading away and but will be turned back to the south. What I think is going to happen is that Russia is going to be withdrawing from Ukraine, bringing their troops back to Russia, when something comes up that is going to cause them to be drawn south to be a part of the Gog/Magog coalition.

Ezekiel 38:
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

Spiritual Jew said:

Jesus said a time is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected (John 5:28-29). We all know that the dead in Christ will be resurrected when He returns, so the hour He was talking about has to be the hour of His return

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Actually, he said "the time is coming when all who are in the graves will hear his voice".
At Jesus's crucifixion, the tombs opened and the dead came to life, Matthew 27:52.

If you go on youtube, there are so many 'prophets' spouting end times etc etc etc....

Each with their own interpretation of scripture. Each claiming they know the truth!!

keras said:

Because it is the Revelation 20:4-5 Prophecy that over rides and clarifies 1 Corinthians 15:22-23.

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You know someone doesn't understand scripture when they say one scripture overrides another. No scripture overrides any other. You need to find a way to make them agree with each other instead of acting like one is valid while the other is not. I can't take this seriously.

keras said:

Paul does NOT say 'all' those in Christ.

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We've been over this multiple times. Yes, it most certainly does.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Paul specifically says that ALL who are in Christ will be made alive (bodily resurrected). He then proceeds to only talk about one occasion when those who are in Christ will be resurrected, which will be at His return. That's it. You think Paul didn't know what he was talking about or didn't have as much knowledge as John or some nonsense like that despite being inspired by the same God who inspired John. If anyone was going to be bodily resurrected at any other time, then Paul certainly would have known that and would have mentioned it, but he did not. Instead of acknowledging that, you undermine Paul's teaching and act as if he didn't know what he was talking about.

Paul also taught that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection (Acts 26:23, 1 Corinthians 15:20). You prove once again that you do not care for Paul's teaching by not taking that information and allowing it to help you understand what Revelation 20 is about when it talks about the first resurrection and what it means when talking about the first resurrection, which Paul said is Christ's resurrection. Based on Paul's teaching about the first resurrection, to have part in the first resurrection means to have part in Christ's resurrection which we all do spiritually when we are saved (Eph 2:4-6, Col 2:12-13).

keras said:

To think Paul did mean 'all', creates a Biblical anomaly; a contradiction of scripture, so it is wrong.

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No, it does not. You just don't trust that Paul knew what he was talking about, but he did because it wasn't his own words he was writing, they were inspired by God.

keras said:

ALL, will be raised for Judgment, after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15

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Right. And Jesus will come after the Millennium.

keras said:

It is you and everyone who has gripped onto the false idea of a general resurrection at the Return, who need to rethink your beliefs.

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Wrong. You need to rethink why you don't trust the teachings of the person who wrote half of the New Testament.

keras said:

What is happening now is Prophecy unfolding as we watch. We are told that Iran will attempt to destroy Israel.

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What prophecy is that fulfilling? People have always thought that every current event was fulfilling prophecy. People always think that surely there must be some prophecy being fulfilled in my lifetime.

keras said:

That is the mixed peoples who live in the Holy Land now. The outcome is clearly told to us, of how the Lord will destroy them all, clearing and cleansing the entire Holy Land.
If that scenario doesn't suit peoples paradigm, then they believe falsehoods.

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Jesus will destroy literally all unbelievers in the world when He comes again (Matthew 24:35-39, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 19:17-18). Your focus on "the Holy Land" is misplaced.

Strong in Him said:

Actually, he said "the time is coming when all who are in the graves will hear his voice".
At Jesus's crucifixion, the tombs opened and the dead came to life, Matthew 27:52.

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Read John 5:28-29 again, only carefully this time. What person was raised unto condemnation at Jesus's crucifixion? No one. So, that event has no relation to John 5:28-29.

Spiritual Jew said:

Read John 5:28-29 again, only carefully this time. What person was raised unto condemnation at Jesus's crucifixion? No one.

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Saying that John 5:28-29 refers to Jesus' return makes no sense.
The disciples didn't realise/believe at that point that Jesus was going to die, be raised, ascend to the Father and therefore leave them. After the crucifixion they were not looking forward to the resurrection, they were sad, scared and had locked themselves away.
How, and why, would Jesus have spoken of his return when they didn't understand that the was going away?

Furthermore, the verse says that those who have done good will go to one resurrection and those who have done evil, to another.
Since when has salvation been a matter of good deeds? Why no mention of eternal life or faith in Jesus?

Strong in Him said:

Saying that John 5:28-29 refers to Jesus' return makes no sense.

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Why do you say that? Jesus refers to an hour that is coming when the dead are resurrected. Do you not believe the dead will be resurrected when He returns? At the very least, you should believe that the dead in Christ will be resurrected when He returns (1 Cor 15:22-23, 1 Thess 4:14-17).

Strong in Him said:

The disciples didn't realise/believe at that point that Jesus was going to die, be raised, ascend to the Father and therefore leave them. After the crucifixion they were not looking forward to the resurrection, they were sad, scared and had locked themselves away.
How, and why, would Jesus have spoken of his return when they didn't understand that the was going away?

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You misunderstood me. I'm not saying that John 5:28-29 specifically refers to Jesus's return in the sense that He explicitly refers to His return there. But, it does describe something that will happen when He returns. He just didn't reveal that at that time.

Strong in Him said:

Furthermore, the verse says that those who have done good will go to one resurrection and those who have done evil, to another.
Since when has salvation been a matter of good deeds? Why no mention of eternal life or faith in Jesus?

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Do you understand that faith without works is dead, as James taught in James 2? It isn't that salvation is a matter of good deeds, it's that saving faith will result in doing the good deeds/works that God prepares for those who are saved (Ephesians 2:8-10) and the good deeds reflect what kind of faith someone has. Obviously, if someone truly has faith in Christ then they will be willing to serve and obey Him, right? Any kind of "faith" that does not include a willingness to serve and obey Christ is not saving faith.

keras said:

Verse 22, refers to the GWT Judgment, after the Millennium.
Verse 23 can only refer to the GT martyrs, or it is you who causes a scriptural anomaly.

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To try to make verses 22 and 23 (from 1 Cor 15) unrelated as if they are not talking about the same dead who will be bodily resurrected when Jesus comes shows your willingness to make scripture say whatever you want it to say.

keras said:

This is a direct accusation of a brother Christian. Luke 3:14

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It's the truth, but you won't admit it.

And you aren't one to talk about making accusations against other Christians. You have done that MANY times. Stop being a hypocrite.

keras said:

To teach that all the Christian dead will be resurrected when Jesus Returns, is proved wrong by Revelation 20:5.
Your willingness to ignore that clearly stated verse, shows up the AMill error, that causes a lot of confusion.

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LOL. You are a HYPOCRITE. You accuse me of making an accusation of you and then what do you do? Accuse me of ignoring Revelation 20:5 which I am not doing. Scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection. You need to allow scripture to interpret scripture instead of causing it to contradict itself.

The first resurrection:

Acts 26:23 that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.”

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [a]fallen asleep.

Having part in the first resurrection:

Colossians 2:12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

keras said:

I realize that you need to divert this thread from the OP

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LOL! Nothing but lies from you. I'm discussing things that were being discussed in the thread.

keras said:

, as war in the Holy Land area, contradicts the foolish notion that we are in the Millennium now. Look at reality, if you can!

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You have no understanding of spiritual reality because you are carnal in your thinking.

keras said:

For now, Israel and the US have delivered a decisive and perhaps fatal blow to Iran Inc. We’ll know soon enough if Trump’s intervention — with bullish airstrikes and diplomacy — has brought this round of fighting to a close. Whether this is the beginning, middle or end of this stage of Israel history — and what comes next — will take more time to figure out. Jerusalem Post

But we have Bible Prophecy!
The Prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11, is very applicable for today, just before the Day of the Lord, which will come unexpectedly.
We are told that in that time, people will say -'Peace and Safety', as Israel and Iran cease hostilities now and a peace agreement will be sponsored by America.
THEN; -destruction falls upon them.....and there will be no escape. This will be the many Prophesied Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath, to change the world and commence all the end times things.

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keras, I think Trump is declaring a "cease fire".

But it is not the peace and safety saying of 1Thessalonians 5:1-11.

Spiritual Jew said:

Why do you say that?

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You said;

Spiritual Jew said:

Jesus said a time is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected (John 5:28-29). We all know that the dead in Christ will be resurrected when He returns, so the hour He was talking about has to be the hour of His return

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I asked why Jesus would speak to his disciples about his return when they didn't even understand that he had to go away.
In fact I got that wrong; Jesus wasn't speaking to his disciples here, but to the Jewish leaders who were questioning his authority. If we read these verses in context, John 5:21 says that just as the Father gives life to the dead, so the Son gives life to those he chooses. John 5:25 says, "truly I tell you a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God". (Tradition says that before Jesus was raised from the dead, he went and preached to all who had died before they had been able to hear the Gospel.) He then goes on to say that whoever hears the voice of the Son of God will live.
Then he told them that a time was coming when all who were in their graves would hear his voice and come out. He says nothing here about his return. It was you who said that people coming out of their graves had to indicate the 2nd coming.
In fact, the dead hearing his voice could refer to when Jesus preached to them after his own death, or it could be that they heard the Gospel after the tombs were opened at his crucifixion.

Spiritual Jew said:

Do you not believe the dead will be resurrected when He returns?

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I wasn't talking about Jesus' return. I was challenging your assumption about John 5:28.

Spiritual Jew said:

You misunderstood me. I'm not saying that John 5:28-29 specifically refers to Jesus's return in the sense that He explicitly refers to His return there. But, it does describe something that will happen when He returns. He just didn't reveal that at that time.

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That was my only point.
John 5:28-29 says;

“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

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Where, in those verses, are the words, "when I return"? And Jesus has been talking about the Father, do the words, "his voice" mean the voice of God the Father, or the voice of Jesus, the Son of God?
Jesus might have been hinting at future judgement and how even the dead who have rejected the Gospel will be judged and condemned. But he says nothing about his return - he hadn't even yet mentioned going away, never mind coming back again. The subject of the passage is the authority of the Son, because the Jewish leaders were grumbling that Jesus healed on the sabbath.