Islam attacks Israel

[Douggg]

Or for your silly 'anytime rapture'.

keras, my "any time" rapture timing view is that the rapture will take place between right this very moment to when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

So that window is not closed until around 3 years after the Gog/Magog attack on Israel.

 

[keras]

keras, my "any time" rapture timing view is that the rapture will take place between right this very moment to when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

So that window is not closed until around 3 years after the Gog/Magog attack on Israel.

Long held beliefs and wishful thinking do not support this fanciful idea. The Prophetic Word surely doesn't.

 

[Douggg]

keras, not only is there not enough time for your solar flair/Christian nation replacement of the current nation of Israel theory to take place,

But also the land mass of Israel is not large enough to fit a billion Christians into it. The current population of Israel is
9.757 million.

 

[keras]

keras, not only is there not enough time for your solar flair/Christian nation replacement of the current nation of Israel theory to take place,

But also the land mass of Israel is not large enough to fit a billion Christians into it. The current population of Israel is
9.757 million.

It isn't my idea: Ezekiel 34:11-16 says that the Lord will gather His sheep, John 10:10-16- the Christian peoples, and settle them into their own country of the Land of Israel. Which consists of the entire area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Genesis 15:18

I would think that we have discussed this several times before. Why is it so hard for you to see and understand plainly stated scripture?
The forthcoming solar flare, will be a 'flair' all right!

 

[keras]

President Trump is expected to decide whether to join Israel in an attack on Iran, particularly targeting Fordow, where B52 bombers and bunker-busting bombs would be used to destroy the facility. Opponents in the United States are primarily concerned about potential retaliatory attacks on oil fields and facilities in neighboring Persian Gulf states, such as Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, and Saudi Arabia. Leaks in the American media from these opponents have suggested that Iran was not actually close to developing a nuclear bomb and included a warning to Israel about depleting stocks of Arrow missiles. Both claims are far from reality.

Security officials state that, due to significant damage to Iran's missile launchers, Israel's missile inventory remains sufficient for many more days of fighting, with replenishment occurring at a rapid pace. Regarding Iran's military nuclear program, Israel Hayom reported that the Mossad and Britain's MI6 have confirmed that Iran has made rapid strides in recent months toward completing the trigger and mechanism needed for a nuclear bomb.

An American official noted that, alongside the ultimatum, military preparations continue – both for defensive and potential offensive actions. The official emphasized that the primary task is protecting American facilities and interests in the region, including ensuring freedom of navigation through the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran has threatened to close. A significant portion of the world's oil supply passes through this strait. The official added that other Western and Middle Eastern countries are involved in these efforts. June 19th

 

[Douggg]

It isn't my idea: Ezekiel 34:11-16 says that the Lord will gather His sheep, John 10:10-16- the Christian peoples, and settle them into their own country of the Land of Israel. Which consists of the entire area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Genesis 15:18

keras, in Luke 21:28, Jesus said...

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

What did Jesus mean "your redemption" if not referring to our bodies - in the resurrection/rapture ?

Then in verse 29-32, Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree generation.

 

[keras]

keras, in Luke 21:28, Jesus said...

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

What did Jesus mean "your redemption" if not referring to our bodies - in the resurrection/rapture ?

Then in verse 29-32, Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree generation.

You get an A+ for thread diversion.
Take your foolish and totally unbiblical 'resurrection/ rapture' and bin it where it belongs.

While you're at it; get yourself a modern translation and bin the KJV, as Satan is so happy to see how people get confused and deceived by it.
Just an example; Luke 21:28 When all this begins to happen, stand upright and hold your heads high, because your liberation is near. REBible.
Referring, of course, to the glorious Return of Jesus.

 

[Douggg]

While you're at it; get yourself a modern translation and bin the KJV, as Satan is so happy to see how people get confused and deceived by it.
Just an example; Luke 21:28 When all this begins to happen, stand upright and hold your heads high, because your liberation is near. REBible.
Referring, of course, to the glorious Return of Jesus.

keras, the vast majority of the translation have "redemption" in Luke 21:28.

Luke 21:28 - The Return of the Son of Man

When these things begin to happen, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.

biblehub.com

 

[keras]

keras, the vast majority of the translation have "redemption" in Luke 21:28.

Luke 21:28 - The Return of the Son of Man

When these things begin to happen, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.

biblehub.com

The Greek word used, simply means the ransom is paid, our freedom is assured,
It doesn't refer to our Salvation. or give the slightest hint of a rapture.

Only at the Judgment, will it be revealed what damage adherence to the KJV has done.

 

[keras]

It's not at all clear that any American attempt to destroy Fordow or its uranium enrichment facilities will succeed. Military failure is not the only danger facing Trump, should he decide to press ahead with a bombing raid. There is no sign that an attack, even if successful, would lead to an Iranian surrender or bring the fighting to a convenient close. I would put money on the opposite in fact. The mullahs are fighting for their lives. With millions of Iranians enraged by years of oppression and incompetence, a humiliating surrender would mean certain death to the regime – and its leaders. A.P.

 

[Douggg]

The Greek word used, simply means the ransom is paid, our freedom is assured,
It doesn't refer to our Salvation. or give the slightest hint of a rapture.

Only at the Judgment, will it be revealed what damage adherence to the KJV has done.

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

 

[keras]

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

OK Dougg, we all know how threads get diverted.
But to constantly post other issues on the thread that is for the real and critical issue of today, calls for an examination of motives and beliefs.

Do you think what is happening between Israel and Iran, is not Prophesied and the final outcome of this battle won't affect the whole world?

BTW, Romans 8:23......and our liberation from mortality. REB Which only happens after the GWT Judgment.

 

[Douggg]

Do you think what is happening between Israel and Iran, is not Prophesied and the final outcome of this battle won't affect the whole world?

Leading into the Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog event soon.

 

[keras]

Leading into the Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog event soon.

The Prophesies in Ezekiel 38/39 and Joel 2:20, have nothing to do with the soon to happen attempt by Iran to nuke Israel.
Look at Isaiah 21:2b and Isaiah 22:6, where it is Prophesied how Elam/Media, [now the Islamic republic of Iran] will advance and take up the quiver. that is the arrow holder, easily interpreted as their missile stocks.
They have vowed to destroy Israel and now the Iranian leadership are so humiliated and angry at what has just happened, they must act or be deposed. And what is Prophesied when they do attempt to fire a nuke missile at Israel? Plenty, but here is just one:

Psalms 7:1-5 Lord my God, in You I find refuge, protect me from my pursuers, those who want to kill me. I have not stained my hands with guilt or committed any evil deed, if I had – let my enemy come and trample my honour into the dust.

Psalms 7:6-11 Arise, Lord, in Your anger, rouse Yourself in wrath against those who oppose Your servants. You who ordained that justice must be done, awake now! Let the peoples come, You that sit on high and pass sentence on the nations. Uphold the cause of Your righteous servants, Your innocent people. You, who search the hearts and minds of everyone, support the righteous and contain the wicked. Rely on the Lord to shield us, He saves the honest, in His righteous anger He will judge justly.

Psalms 7:12-16 The enemy prepares his weapons and makes ready to attack. It is against himself that his deadly shafts tipped with fire, will recoil upon. The godless are in partnership with the devil, plotting mischief and conceiving lies. They work hard at their plans to cause the downfall of God’s people, but what they have prepared will fall upon their own heads. Obadiah 15, Hab. 3:14, Isaiah 8:9-10
David, the psalmist/prophet, states his innocence. He asks that the Lord, in His righteousness will ‘pass sentence on the godless nations’ and give him refuge and protection. Psalms 24:3-5

Verses 12-16 seem to be entirely end time prophecy, as what is described here did not happen to David. Now, in these times, we have real ‘deadly shafts tipped with fire’: nuke tipped missiles. The enemies are fanatical Islamists and political extremists, who plot nothing less than the domination of the world. Any means of achieving that goal is permissible to them and now population pressure coupled with natural disasters, creating land, resource shortages and the latest destruction in Iran, is making some kind of extreme action inevitable.
They are ‘in partnership with the devil’, he will motivate them to attack Israel, using nukes.

‘’They will fall into the pit of their own making“ the Lord will act at the moment of attack by the means of a coronal mass ejection, that will strike initially with a high powered electromagnetic pulse, [this may cause the effect described as ‘the sky rolled up like a scroll’] making weapons even hidden underground to explode. In fact, some of the prophecies about the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster; specifically say that the military power of the nations will be destroyed. Psalms 46:9, Psalms 76:3, Jeremiah 49:35, Jeremiah 50:23 & 30, Amos 5:9, Joel 3:4

Psalms 58:11 It will be said: There is after all reward for the righteous and there is after all a God who dispenses justice on earth.

Psalms 7:17 I shall praise the Lord for His righteousness and sing praises to His Name.
Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses condensed.

 

[Douggg]

The Prophesies in Ezekiel 38/39 and Joel 2:20, have nothing to do with the soon to happen attempt by Iran to nuke Israel.

Iran is Persia listed as one of the nations making up part of Gog/Magog coalition, Ezekiel 38:5.

 

[keras]

Iran is Persia listed as one of the nations making up part of Gog/Magog coalition, Ezekiel 38:5.

So?
Jeremiah 49:36 shows how the survivors of Elam, of Southern Iran/Persia, will be scattered to all the nations. They will join Gog's armies.

What you fail to address, is how the peoples living in the Holy Land when Gog attacks, rely solely on the Lord for protection. In fact it is the Lord who drags Gog and his horde down from the north, Ezekiel 38:7, for Him to kill them in order to display His power. Ezekiel 38:23

Time to acknowledge these Bible truths and renounce your false beliefs.

 

[Douggg]

So?

Russia and Iran are allies.

 

[keras]

Russia and Iran are allies.

Psalms 83 does not mention Iran, Russia, or their allies in the North. That fact is just one proof of the difference between the G/M attack and the Day of the Lords wrath against the ungodly peoples of the Middle East and to clear the Land for its new inhabitants. - The Christian peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language.

Sensible, scriptural responses, instead of knee jerk reactions would be good.

 

[Douggg]

Psalms 83 does not mention Iran, Russia, or their allies in the North.

So why are you bringing up Psalms 83 ?

Israel is at war with Iran right now. Russia supports Iran. Russia is the strongest military component of the Gog/Magog coalition.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

You get an A+ for thread diversion.
Take your foolish and totally unbiblical 'resurrection/ rapture' and bin it where it belongs.

While you're at it; get yourself a modern translation and bin the KJV, as Satan is so happy to see how people get confused and deceived by it.
Just an example; Luke 21:28 When all this begins to happen, stand upright and hold your heads high, because your liberation is near. REBible.
Referring, of course, to the glorious Return of Jesus.

The redemption of our bodies will occur when Jesus returns (Luke 21:28), which will be at the last trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). So, YOU are the one who needs a new Bible translation. You have proven a number of times already that the translation you use is garbage and is untrustworthy. The translation of Luke 21:28 isn't the issue here. Both you and Douggg deny the plain truth by having the redemption of our bodies occurring at some other time than when Jesus returns.