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Lake Mungo: Evidence of an early practice of religion and a problem for evolutionary biology(?)

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Regarding Kow Swamp hominids, it's noteworthy that this isn't the only example of early hominids persisting well into the time of anatomically modern humans in this part of the world.

H. floresiensis, apparently a race of H. erectus, existed in what is now Indonesia 50,000 years ago, and they were more archaic than the Kow Swamp people.
What makes Lake Mungo special is that cremation is an indicator of cultural development, it is by far the oldest example of cremation found in prehistoric times.

Site / CultureLocationApproximate DateEvidence of Cremation
Lake Mungo (Mungo Lady)New South Wales, Australia~40,000–42,000 BPPartial skeleton burned, bones crushed and re-burned before burial—recognized as the world’s oldest cremation (nma.gov.au, daily.jstor.org)
Alaska child cremationAlaska, USA~11,500 BPEvidence of a child's body burned around that time, indicating early cremation in North America (smithsonianmag.com)
Near East (Beisamoun pyre-pit)Northern Israel~6700–7031 BC (~8,700–9,700 BP)Intentional cremation in a Neolithic pyre-pit—considered the earliest in the Near East (ancientpages.com, sciencedaily.com)
Mesolithic Britain (Langford)Southern England~6,000–7,000 BP? (~4,000–5,000 BC)Burnt bone (~118 g) in a pit suggests deliberate cremation during the Mesolithic (ancient-origins.net)
Bronze Age EuropeVarious, e.g. Mycenae~3,000–1,000 BCCremated remains in barrows and urns consistent with Bronze Age funerary rites (popsci.com, cambridge.org)
 
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They may get saved before they die.

If they had a past history as an atheist, all is forgiven at the point of salvation.
 
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What makes Lake Mungo special is that cremation is an indicator of cultural development, it is by far the oldest example of cremation found in prehistoric times.

Death rituals in archaic humans of various Homo species seem to substantially pre-date the arrival of what we consider 'behavioural modernity' in humans (circa 75,000 to 40,000 years ago), and have been practiced by groups with gracile, robust and mosaic features.

The archaic Homo sapiens burial site at Qafzeh dates back to about 90,000 to 100,000 years ago. There are multiple individuals buried, and the burial sites are accompanied with artifacts (shells, limestone) which were decorated with red ochre. It also appears that a child, which was born with a developmental disorder, was ritually interred. The individuals buried at the site have a mix of modern and archaic physical features.

Similar behaviour is attributed to Homo neanderthals at burial sites dating back as early as 120,000 years ago. The Tabun cave site shows the dead being deliberately being buried with certain orientations and with adornments (shells, feathers, antlers, shaped rocks) about 120,000 years ago.

There are some claims that set cultural behaviours around death/burials being present in other archaic hominids, and much further back in time. Lee Berger made some pretty bold claims about three or four years ago concerning Homo naledi, claiming that Star Cave showed evidence of deliberate burial practices about 250,000 years ago. These seem to have been pretty broadly rejected by other anthropologists.
 
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In the late 1960s to the early 1970s human remains from a Pleistocene site at Lake Mungo Australia were found, which included the remains of a “Mungo Lady” and “Mungo Man” both dated around 42,000 years old.
“Mungo Lady” is the earliest example of human cremation found while the remains of “Mungo Man” were covered in red ochre indicating some ritual or religious significance.
The remains of the individuals indicated they were of a gracile form like modern day humans, but not far from Lake Mungo at Kow Swamp the remains of anatomically more robust individuals which were dated 9,000 – 13,000 years old.

Here is an AI summary of both sites.

FeatureLake MungoKow Swamp
LocationSouth-western New South Wales, within the Willandra Lakes Region (World Heritage-listed)North-central Victoria, near the Murray River
Age of RemainsApproximately 40,000 to 42,000 years agoApproximately 13,000 to 9,000 years ago
Key DiscoveriesMungo Lady (oldest known cremation) and Mungo Man (buried with red ochre)Over 22 individuals with robust cranial features; evidence of intentional cranial deformation
Burial PracticesComplex rituals including cremation and ochre use, indicating early spiritual beliefsBurials with robust skulls; some evidence suggests artificial cranial deformation, possibly cultural
Cranial MorphologyGracile, anatomically modern human featuresRobust features, including thick cranial bones and receding foreheads; debates on archaic traits vs. deformation
Cultural SignificanceProvides earliest evidence of ritualistic burial practices in AustraliaOffers insights into population diversity and cultural practices in late Pleistocene Australia

This presents a problem as the logical assumption was the initial migration to Australia 65,000 years ago were by the robust type individuals who later evolved into the more gracile form.
The current consensus is that there was no separate migration waves to Australia of peoples of robust and gracile forms or some form of evolutionary reversal, but over time, in-situ diversification—cultural, environmental, biological—led to robust variations in the late Pleistocene.

Here is a video on the Lake Mungo archaeological site including the issues of science clashing with indigenous peoples which is a global issue where excavations are considered desecrations of ancestral sacred sites.

Ochre jogged the memory of something else: It may have been an attempt at a sun screen. Seriously. This was about the time the earth's magnetic field did a partial flip and did a major wandering around before calming down. The result was parts of the world ended up exposed to more UV. The interesting thing here is that the south pole was in the close vicinity of Australia during the partial flip, meaning a weakening of an already weak magnetic field.

Here's the cite:

Ancient Body Paint May Have Been Prehistoric Sunscreen, Study Says

That doesn't mean they didn't practice some sort of religion. only that the ochre may have had a practical application.
 
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Ochre jogged the memory of something else: It may have been an attempt at a sun screen. Seriously. This was about the time the earth's magnetic field did a partial flip and did a major wandering around before calming down. The result was parts of the world ended up exposed to more UV. The interesting thing here is that the south pole was in the close vicinity of Australia during the partial flip, meaning a weakening of an already weak magnetic field.

Here's the cite:

Ancient Body Paint May Have Been Prehistoric Sunscreen, Study Says

That doesn't mean they didn't practice some sort of religion. only that the ochre may have had a practical application.
IMHO I find the idea of ochre being used as a sunscreen agent somewhat farfetched.
The earliest evidence of human occupation in Australia was the discovery of stone tools, grinding stones and ochre dated around 65,000 years old which puts it well outside the partial magnetic field reversal of ~42,000 years ago.
Then there is the testimony from the indigenous peoples themselves who represent the oldest surviving culture where their customs and traditions were handed down over thousands of generations, in this case ochre was used in ceremonies and cave paintings.

In an interesting experiment involving anthropology and geology, the oral traditions of indigenous peoples inhabiting different regions of Australia whose ancestors existed during the rapid climate warming phase of the Late Pleistocene where rising sea levels led to stories about great floods. These stories were put to the test by searching for the geological evidence of sedimentation in the regions which they inhabited.

Validation of Aboriginal Flood Stories: Presence and Absence of Narratives


RegionFlood Occurred?Oral Tradition Exists?Geological EvidenceTime Since EventImplication
Kimberley Coast (WA)✅ Yes✅ YesSea-level rise flooded river valleys (~7,000–10,000 BP)7,000+ yearsStories describe "drowning" of coastal plains; match sediment cores.
Spencer Gulf (SA)✅ Yes✅ YesMarine incursion turned lakes saline (~10,000 BP)10,000+ yearsTraditions recall freshwater → saltwater transition; aligned with core samples.
Port Phillip Bay (VIC)✅ Yes✅ YesBay flooded (~7,800–10,000 BP)8,000+ yearsStories describe ancestral lands now underwater; confirmed by submerged sites.
Murray River (NSW/VIC)✅ Yes (riverine)✅ YesMegafauna-era floods (>10,000 BP)10,000+ yearsNarratives of "giant serpents" causing floods; align with paleoflood deposits.
Tasmania❌ No¹❌ NoIsolated before sea-level rise (~12,000 BP)12,000+ yearsNo flood stories exist—consistent with no witnessed flooding post-isolation.
Western Desert (NT/WA)❌ No❌ NoNo post-glacial flooding; hyper-aridN/ANo flood stories; traditions focus on droughts/desert creation instead.
Arnhem Land (NT)✅ Yes (coastal)✅ YesCoastal inundation (~8,000 BP); mangrove pollen in sediment cores8,000+ years"Saltwater coming in" stories; aligned with ecological and geological data.

Key Footnotes & Explanations

  1. Tasmania’s Critical “Null” Case:
    • Bass Strait flooded around 12,000 BP, after Aboriginal Tasmanians were isolated by rising seas.
    • No flood stories exist in Tasmania, showing that traditions reflect directly witnessed events only.
  2. Western Desert as Inland Control:
    • This hyper-arid inland region experienced no significant flooding during the postglacial period.
    • Oral traditions instead focus on droughts, desert formation, and mythic beings—matching environmental history.
  3. Methodological Significance:
    • Presence-absence correlation: Flood stories appear only in areas with geological evidence of inundation.
    • No false positives: Areas with no flooding show no flood myths, refuting the idea of a universal myth template.
    • Cultural precision: Stories distinguish between coastal inundation and inland river flooding.
  4. Limitations:
    • Colonial disruption may have erased or altered traditions in some regions (e.g., southeastern Australia).
    • Other major events (e.g., volcanic eruptions at Budj Bim) have distinct oral records, not conflated with flood myths.

Conclusion


This data demonstrates that Aboriginal oral traditions reliably record ancient sea-level and flood events, confirmed by geological and paleoenvironmental evidence. The absence of such stories in unflooded or isolated regions (e.g., Tasmania, inland deserts) acts as a powerful scientific control, validating the accuracy and specificity of these oral histories.


Sources:

  • Nunn & Reid (2016), Australian Geographer
  • Russell & McNiven (2018), Journal of Social Archaeology
  • Reid et al. (2021), PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences)
 
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Fascinating. I was vaguely aware of the supposed duration of the aborginal oral history, but this matching is remarkable and the sense of continuity it invokes is delightful. If only the Scots has similar oral traditions of wading away from Doggerland towards the Highlands.
 
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Fascinating. I was vaguely aware of the supposed duration of the aborginal oral history, but this matching is remarkable and the sense of continuity it invokes is delightful. If only the Scots has similar oral traditions of wading away from Doggerland towards the Highlands.
It's not good news for a 6000 year old Earth and the great flood occurring in 2348 BC either..........
 
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