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Sarah confronts Joel Osteen

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Well i had to actually look through the video to actually find her confronting Joel Osteen but around 15:35 and again starting at 18:11 (when she is being escorted out)
Well Her gospel consist of sin, hell, repentance of sin, judgment, and finally she mentions Jesus.

She is preaching a works focused gospel, probably straight from the teachings of another false gospel teacher Ray Comfort.

The Bible states there is only one way to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life and that is only by belief in Jesus.
What is believing in Jesus, it is to believe Jesus is who He says He is. The Son of God/The promised Messiah, the resurrection and the life.
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”
 
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Well i had to actually look through the video to actually find her confronting Joel Osteen but around 15:35 and again starting at 18:11 (when she is being escorted out)
Well Her gospel consist of sin, hell, repentance of sin, judgment, and finally she mentions Jesus.

She is preaching a works focused gospel, probably straight from the teachings of another false gospel teacher Ray Comfort.

The Bible states there is only one way to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life and that is only by belief in Jesus.
What is believing in Jesus, it is to believe Jesus is who He says He is. The Son of God/The promised Messiah, the resurrection and the life.
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”
she didn't mention eternal life through faith in Christ but I thought what she said to Osteen was true.
 
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she didn't mention eternal life through faith in Christ but I thought what she said to Osteen was true.
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Well i am not defending Joel Olsteen as i have never been a fan of him. But it just seem like one pot calling the other kettle black
 
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Well i am not defending Joel Olsteen as i have never been a fan of him. But it just seem like one pot calling the other kettle black
I'll have to check out her YouTube videos to see how she witnesses to people in public. you don't care for Ray Comfort? I'm not really a fan as he always has the same way of witnessing to people ie: are you a good person, have you ever stolen anything.
 
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Fluffy preachers, they're prophesied in the bible:

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

God Bless All :)
 
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I'll have to check out her YouTube videos to see how she witnesses to people in public. you don't care for Ray Comfort? I'm not really a fan as he always has the same way of witnessing to people ie: are you a good person, have you ever stolen anything.
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Yes he (Ray) is big on using the 10 commandments gospel presentation, but that is never seen in The Bible.

Just look a Jesus and the women at the well. Jesus tells her of her life style, not so Jesus will eventually say, hey you are a dirty sinner and you better repent of your sins. Jesus tells her of her life so she will come to recognize Jesus as the promised Messiah, so then she may believe in Jesus for living water (eternal life). Which is seen she does and not only believes, but tells other who Jesus is, the promised Messiah, so they may also believe.
 
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Yes he (Ray) is big on using the 10 commandments gospel presentation, but that is never seen in The Bible.
Looks like you are only reading the book of John again. You should read more than one book in the bible. (Sorry, but most of your view comes from just the book of John and you ignore the remainder of the bible)

Jesus Himself used the 10 Commandments regarding eternal life, and so did Paul. Ray has simply based what he does on what Jesus did.

17 Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?” 18 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. 19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’” Matt 10:17-18

"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith." Gal 3:24
(The law brought the Galatians and Paul to the foot of the cross)

"But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God." 2 Corinthians 4:2 (By using the Law, you address peoples conscience)

"The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul" Psalms 19:7

Just look a Jesus and the women at the well.
Jesus said to her, "Go and get your husband," because she had had many husbands, and so she was an adulteress. So, Jesus used one of the commandments once again.

Jesus and Paul both used the Commandments, and Ray has simply copied.

So, what Sarah did was very good. She is telling people to leave their sins and honour God. She is also warning the people there to run from the false Gospel that Joel teaches. So she is loving her neighbour as herself. Well done, Sarah.

Sadly, Christians will more often than not tear down someone who preaches in public when we should be building them up. She is a Spirit-filled believer. You can see this in the boldness that she has and how she is compelled to preach even when she knows that people will scoff at her. So once again, well done, Sarah.
 
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Well i had to actually look through the video to actually find her confronting Joel Osteen but around 15:35 and again starting at 18:11 (when she is being escorted out)
Well Her gospel consist of sin, hell, repentance of sin, judgment, and finally she mentions Jesus.

She is preaching a works focused gospel, probably straight from the teachings of another false gospel teacher Ray Comfort.

The Bible states there is only one way to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life and that is only by belief in Jesus.
What is believing in Jesus, it is to believe Jesus is who He says He is. The Son of God/The promised Messiah, the resurrection and the life.
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”
Sin, repentance and hell teachings are Scriptural too and we must not overlook these teachings. They point us to our need for Jesus Christ as our Savior.
Right?
Did not see the video yet ...maybe you're seeing more in her teachings than what you wrote.
 
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A lot of people can tell you Joel Osteen is a false teacer. But the same line of Joel Osteen's thinking is prevalent in your local churches. It's not something he started. Most of the time these teachers are very good at masking it. "Name it & claim it" is everywhere. It's under the mask of "Jesus loves you & will give you what you want b/c he loves you."
 
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Sin, repentance and hell teachings are Scriptural too and we must not overlook these teachings. They point us to our need for Jesus Christ as our Savior.
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Did not see the video yet ...maybe you're seeing more in her teachings than what you wrote.
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I am not against the proper teaching about sin, repentance or about hell, which should actually be the lake of fire.

Because there is no such things as hell in The Bible, that hell idea comes from Dante's divine comedy
Most of what we think concerning hell comes to us from Roman Catholic art more than anything else—works such as Dante’s epic poem, The Divine Comedy or the endless paintings and frescoes of black-winged ghouls torturing people in flames of fire. Quote from Does Fire Always Consume? — Revelation 19:20 and 20:10 by Shawn Lazar

But sin, repentance or hell has nothing to do with Eternal Life, unless a person is trying to scare someone into believing in Jesus.
Which will more than likely bring about a false belief in Jesus and not the belief that will give a person God's free gift of Eternal Life. Not out of fear, but because they have been property taught that God is offering every person His Eternal Life through belief in Jesus. So they may spend eternity with God on the new earth in unending peace and perfection, leaving behind this satanic world and its curse and problems.
 
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But sin, repentance or hell has nothing to do with Eternal Life, unless a person is trying to scare someone into believing in Jesus.
Which will more than likely bring about a false belief in Jesus and not the belief that will give a person God's free gift of Eternal Life. Not out of fear, but because they have been property taught that God is offering every person His Eternal Life through belief in Jesus. So they may spend eternity with God on the new earth in unending peace and perfection, leaving behind this satanic world and its curse and problems.
Fear is a wonderful thing if used correctly.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom Proverbs 9:10

“By steadfast love and faithfulness iniquity is atoned for, and by the fear of the Lord one turns away from evil.” Prov 16:6

“I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!” Luke 12:4-5. Jesus explicitly teaches fear of God’s authority over eternal judgment as good and necessary.

Knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade others.” 2 Corinthians 5:11

“And have mercy on those who doubt; save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh.” Jude 1:22-23. This directly endorses saving people with fear—a metaphor for urgent persuasion of sinners in danger of hell.

Paul acknowledges that fear of the Lord, specifically fear of the coming judgment, is one of the reasons he seeks to persuade others. It's not the only reason, but it's a real one.

"Some have used the terrors of the Lord to terrify, but Paul used them to persuade", Charles Spurgeon
 
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I am not against the proper teaching about sin, repentance or about hell, which should actually be the lake of fire.

Because there is no such things as hell in The Bible, that hell idea comes from Dante's divine comedy
Most of what we think concerning hell comes to us from Roman Catholic art more than anything else—works such as Dante’s epic poem, The Divine Comedy or the endless paintings and frescoes of black-winged ghouls torturing people in flames of fire. Quote from Does Fire Always Consume? — Revelation 19:20 and 20:10 by Shawn Lazar

But sin, repentance or hell has nothing to do with Eternal Life, unless a person is trying to scare someone into believing in Jesus.
Which will more than likely bring about a false belief in Jesus and not the belief that will give a person God's free gift of Eternal Life. Not out of fear, but because they have been property taught that God is offering every person His Eternal Life through belief in Jesus. So they may spend eternity with God on the new earth in unending peace and perfection, leaving behind this satanic world and its curse and problems.
See for reference...Matthew 10:28
And the many other such Passages.
If the motivation of one is in love and fear for another's salvation then the tact of striking them with fear is ok and perhaps necessary. And that fear is real not imagined.
 
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See for reference...Matthew 10:28
And the many other such Passages.
If the motivation of one is in love and fear for another's salvation then the tact of striking them with fear is ok and perhaps necessary. And that fear is real not imagined.
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This verse is not saying to use the fear of Gehenna, in evangelizing people. It is a motivation to the 12 Apostles to not fear people who will persecute them. Because they only have the ability the kill the body, but God who is the higher authority is able to Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

But that does not mean that if the disciples failed to be faithful that they would go to Gehenna. But that it simply means that in the end only God's disposition of affairs matters.

Do you really understand about belief, a person simply can not be scared into being convinced something is true. If they are not convinced by the presented evidence, that the Bible presents that Jesus is who He says He is. How does the fear of, more then likely a place (hell) they do not even believe exist. Scare a person into believing in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

It sure has not motivated all these false gospel preachers (who do believe in hell) to change their false gospel message from a works based message of repentance, obedience, commitment to following Jesus, beiing baptized, etc....
To only belief in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

The rich man who is in the place of torment wants to send Lazarus to warn his 5 brothers not to come to where he is ( fear method), but what does Abraham say no they have the prophets and will not be persuaded by someone coming back from the dead (again the idea of using fear of torments). But Abraham points to Moses and the prophets, why because For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

“Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”


Plus this illustration also shows how a person who is in torments, incorrectly thinks it is repentance that keeps a person from where he is. But Abraham correctly shows it is belief in Jesus that will keep a person from torments, because Abraham points to Moses and the prophets, who wrote about Jesus.
 
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what this woman did was so brave and she is on fire for the Lord Jesus! - YouTube
There are plenty of good teachers who say that Osteen's teaching is heretical, so there didn't need to be someone to go in there for the purpose of warning his followers that they are headed for hell (or worse, trying to correct Osteen when his ears are closed). It looked to me like an exercise in futility. Besides that, "the Lord knows those who are His." Just because they sit under his teaching doesn't automatically mean they are hell-bound.

Escorting her out with the reason that she was disruptive was an appropriate response to what she did. I wouldn't do what she did, the same as I wouldn't go into a Mormon church and "warn" them that they are hell-bound. I also wouldn't go into a Buddhist temple or a mosque and warn them they are hell-bound. The apostles did not go into idolatrous temples to preach - they preached in public places, not on the private grounds of cults. If a person wanted to be killed as a martyr, the sure way to do it is to go into a mosque in Mecca and start preaching that they are hell-bound. It's a certain way to offend people to murderous response who are devotees of the cult.

So then was she brave, or unwise? It may be a matter of perspective. If someone wanted to make a difference in peoples' lives, they should simply do what Jesus commanded, saying, "go into all the world and make disciples..." and what Paul wrote, saying, "that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way" (1 Tim. 2:2). It seems to me that if Jesus passed by multitudes of people and only dealt with those showing some measure of faith, we should follow the same pattern. If someone belongs to a cult or follows a false teacher, chances are they won't listen to anyone who speaks contrary to what they are taught, especially if what they are taught makes them feel good.

I just think what she did showed an over-zealous immaturity that put no dent into Osteen's stronghold. However, I also theorize that God can use anything and anyone to make anyone He wants to hear some truth they need. Even some dude with a bullhorn in Central Park.
 
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There was a difference in the gospel preached before and after the cross.
Before the cross, Jesus preached faith in Himself as Messiah, repentance, and obedience to God.
After the cross, the gospel focused on faith in His death, burial, and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins.
 
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There was a difference in the gospel preached before and after the cross.
Before the cross, Jesus preached faith in Himself as Messiah, repentance, and obedience to God.
After the cross, the gospel focused on faith in His death, burial, and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins.
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No it is not. The gospel that gives a person God's free gift of Eternal Life has always been belief in Jesus, from Adam to the last person who lives. All will only receive Eternal Life through belief in Jesus.
 
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There was a difference in the gospel preached before and after the cross.
Before the cross, Jesus preached faith in Himself as Messiah, repentance, and obedience to God.
After the cross, the gospel focused on faith in His death, burial, and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins.
Jesus preached "repent and believe the gospel." Jesus also explained God (and relationship between God and man) according to John, so when Paul wrote that the gospel before the cross was a mystery, it wasn't fully revealed. But after the cross, "He has revealed those things to us by His Spirit." So in a sense it was preached differently. Before the cross, "obey God" was preached, and people had to assume that they were reconciled to God through some future event (per Gen. 3:15) by the Messiah (whom they were looking for). After the cross, resurrection became clear as well as salvation as the free gift of God with forgiveness, which Paul clarified in Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians. People were always saved the same way, by the free gift of God, trusting in the Messiah. It's the principle by which all people have been saved, even before the cross when the gospel was a mystery, according to the faith chapter Heb. 11. So, although there was a difference in how the gospel was preached, people were always saved the same way (by being born of the Spirit).
 
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