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It is well known that the vast majority of American voters strongly disagree with allowing biological males to compete against biological females in girls and women sports.
By allowing them to go into real women's bathrooms and locker rooms. And since YOUR SIDE believes a person can be whatever they want, we now have the problem of perverts claiming they are trans just so they can get in the real women's bathrooms ad locker rooms.
Out of curiosity, how many trans kids have you spoken to before coming to that conclusion?
They are minors. It’s an extreme ideology I do not accept.
Okay. Not sure if any trans kid requires your acceptance to explore their own gender identity, but that's their business, I guess.
Who did they claim recruited them, and for what purpose?
This has nothing to do with my acceptance. I don’t care what adults do. Not my monkey, not my circus. Just leave minors out of it, please.
Yeah, that was kind of my point there.
I didn't bring them into anything. I simply asked how you came to the conclusion you did.
None of which answers the question I asked.
How would minors know? How would a boy know what it’s like to be a girl or vice versa? I’m not saying gender dysphoria doesn’t exist, rather some are being manipulated by adults into believing something they aren’t.
Is that what the two kids you spoke to said happened to them?
What claims? Who are these people and what claims are they making that require them to recruit others to adopt a gender identity that they don't actually identify with?
If someone believes their gender identity doesn't conform with their genitalia, wouldn't their well being depend on their own freedom to explore this on their own without someone else telling them what they should be? Whether that other person be a mysterious recruiter for some unknown, vague, possibly nefarious agenda, or a politician with an agenda or even a church who would prefer people fall into convenient gender categories rather than personal, individual ones?
I'm older, and there's even more stuff people didn't know back when I was growing up that they know about now. Heck, carrying a phone in your pocket was the stuff of science fiction when I was a kid. We learn, we grow, we change.
If anything, it must be further researched. Mostly agree it’s only a very small percentage or adults who have gender dysphoria AKA transgender. I’m all for adults living as they want.
There, we agree.
Fine.
So who did? How did you come to the conclusion that trans kids were being recruited?
I've heard the exact opposite, directly from some who have received gender affirming care. In fact, most research seems to indicate far more positive outcomes than negative. But, I'm not here to defend gender affirming care, simply to wonder how you came to the conclusion that, as you said, "There are no “trans kids” they are recruited." That's unsupported, highly unlikely, and frankly, seems completely made up.
And you're incorrect. Gender is a function of one's identity, not one's biology. It's who you are, not what body parts you have. Sex and gender may once have been thought to be the same thing, but we've come to realize they're not. This is another example of stuff we've learned over time that once was viewed differently. Again, we learn, we grow, we change.
How distressed a person is may vary widely from one to the next. Some simply don't consider their personality or their sense of their own identity as coming from their genitalia.
I completely disagree. A man has no idea what it’s like to be a woman or vice versa. Just because he identifies with womanly attributes didn’t make him a woman, he’s still a man.
How does one man know how any other man feels? How can any of us compare our feelings to anyone else's feelings?
She would say otherwise. Who would know her identity better, you or her?
I've seen studies that refute that entirely. Here's just one from JAMA.
Those who have actually had gender affirming care tend to say otherwise.
I mean, I’ve seen other studies that say otherwise. As far as feelings? I have no idea how to respond.
Are those studies from as credible a source as the Journal of the American Medical Association? Groups with a biased agenda can create all sorts of bogus studies, you know. The internet is filled with stuff like that.
Simple: how do you know what your gender identity is? When you answer that, consider that someone else may also know what their own gender identity is. Sometimes, as strange as it might sound to you, it doesn't match their genitalia.
Until I see actual evidence that this recruitment you allude to actually occurs, I remain skeptical. Surely, if this evidence actually does exist, you can find a way to direct me to it in a way that doesn't violate the rules.
No one has said otherwise.
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