Trump threatens to cut Calif.’s federal funds if trans athletes ‘illegally’ compete in women’s events

[Vambram]

Nah, she’s just a teen competing in her sport. Minding her business. It’s the president and people such as yourself obsessed with this topic trying to make this into a bigger issue than it is and placing a young athlete at the center of a political battle. You guys can just stay salty while this young athlete goes on to live out her dreams.

It is well known that the vast majority of American voters strongly disagree with allowing biological males to compete against biological females in girls and women sports.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

How do trans people "pervert what is right and truthful?"



Some people believe the Earth is flat. Yet, society hasn't descend into chaos. So I think society would be just fine.

By allowing them to go into real women's bathrooms and locker rooms. And since YOUR SIDE believes a person can be whatever they want, we now have the problem of perverts claiming they are trans just so they can get in the real women's bathrooms ad locker rooms.

At least the flat Earthers aren't pushing for legislation so that the rest of the world accepts them. Yes, they may request that flat Earth theory be taught along side the other scientific truths but as you can see - that ain't happenin'!

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Nah, she’s just a teen competing in her sport. Minding her business. It’s the president and people such as yourself obsessed with this topic trying to make this into a bigger issue than it is and placing a young athlete at the center of a political battle. You guys can just stay salty while this young athlete goes on to live out her dreams.

Dream on, GoldenBoy89 !

 

[RileyG]

How are trans people a threat?

They are harming themselves.

 

[RileyG]

What happens to trans kids after you disabuse "the Left" of their infatuation with it?

There are no “trans kids” they are recruited.

 

[A2SG]

There are no “trans kids” they are recruited.

Out of curiosity, how many trans kids have you spoken to before coming to that conclusion?

-- A2SG, I've spoken to more than a few...and never, not even once, have I heard of any attempts at recruitment....whatever that means....

 

[RileyG]

Out of curiosity, how many trans kids have you spoken to before coming to that conclusion?

-- A2SG, I've spoken to more than a few...and never, not even once, have I heard of any attempts at recruitment....whatever that means....

They are minors. It’s an extreme ideology I do not accept.

But to answer your question, 2.

 

[A2SG]

They are minors. It’s an extreme ideology I do not accept.

Okay. Not sure if any trans kid requires your acceptance to explore their own gender identity, but that's their business, I guess.

But to answer your question, 2.

Who did they claim recruited them, and for what purpose?

And what, exactly, were they recruited to do, specifically?

See, the trans people I've spoken to usually come to realizations about their gender identity themselves, often through self-examination and with the aid of therapy. I've yet to hear anyone claim someone else told them what their gender identity was, let alone that they were recruited, somehow, to think their gender identity was something other than what they, themselves, actually thought it was. So I'm curious how this might have occurred.

-- A2SG, sounds spurious, I gotta say....

 

[RileyG]

Okay. Not sure if any trans kid requires your acceptance to explore their own gender identity, but that's their business, I guess.


Who did they claim recruited them, and for what purpose?

And what, exactly, were they recruited to do, specifically?

See, the trans people I've spoken to usually come to realizations about their gender identity themselves, often through self-examination and with the aid of therapy. I've yet to hear anyone claim someone else told them what their gender identity was, let alone that they were recruited, somehow, to think their gender identity was something other than what they, themselves, actually thought it was. So I'm curious how this might have occurred.

-- A2SG, sounds spurious, I gotta say....

This has nothing to do with my acceptance. I don’t care what adults do. Not my monkey, not my circus. Just leave minors out of it, please.

Minors don’t need to be exposed to an extreme ideology when they are so young. They’re impressionable.

All of a sudden it’s everywhere.

Maybe because our country has a serious mental health crisis.

Peace

 

[A2SG]

This has nothing to do with my acceptance.

Yeah, that was kind of my point there.

I don’t care what adults do. Not my monkey, not my circus. Just leave minors out of it, please.

I didn't bring them into anything. I simply asked how you came to the conclusion you did.

Minors don’t need to be exposed to an extreme ideology when they are so young. They’re impressionable.

All of a sudden it’s everywhere.

Maybe because our country has a serious mental health crisis.

Peace

None of which answers the question I asked.

If, as you claim, minors are being recruited, I'm curious as to who is doing the recruiting, and for what purpose. You said a couple of kids told you this happened, and I'm wondering how it came about. Mostly because it absolutely contradicts the experiences of trans people I know and have spoken to on the matter.

-- A2SG, people, trans or otherwise, tend to know their own gender identity without having to be told what it is...let alone need to be recruited for anything.....

 

[RileyG]

Yeah, that was kind of my point there.


I didn't bring them into anything. I simply asked how you came to the conclusion you did.


None of which answers the question I asked.

If, as you claim, minors are being recruited, I'm curious as to who is doing the recruiting, and for what purpose. You said a couple of kids told you this happened, and I'm wondering how it came about. Mostly because it absolutely contradicts the experiences of trans people I know and have spoken to on the matter.

-- A2SG, people, trans or otherwise, tend to know their own gender identity without having to be told what it is...let alone need to be recruited for anything.....

How would minors know? How would a boy know what it’s like to be a girl or vice versa? I’m not saying gender dysphoria doesn’t exist, rather some are being manipulated by adults into believing something they aren’t.

As for the purpose? To make their claims credible.

My conclusion is based on the large amount of people, minor or not, now claiming to be trans or non binary. They’ve been manipulated.

My only concern is the well being of all involved.

It was practically unheard of 20+ years ago when I was growing up.

 

[A2SG]

How would minors know? How would a boy know what it’s like to be a girl or vice versa? I’m not saying gender dysphoria doesn’t exist, rather some are being manipulated by adults into believing something they aren’t.

Is that what the two kids you spoke to said happened to them?

From my own experience, and those I've spoken to: Even from a young age, all of us observe how other people act and respond to things. We can tell that boys and girls are different in ways beyond biology, we can see clear differences in how they act and how they interact with others. Most often, we identify with those who share the same biology as we do...but sometimes, there are some people who simply don't. They look at the world and realize they're looking at it the way they think someone of a different gender would. Occasionally, they come to the realization that they are that gender, despite what their genitals are.

How and why they come to this realization is a very personal, very subjective thing, and something only an individual can answer themselves. Which is why I asked about how many trans people you've spoken to about their own experiences.

As for the purpose? To make their claims credible.

What claims? Who are these people and what claims are they making that require them to recruit others to adopt a gender identity that they don't actually identify with?

I gotta say, the lack of specifics regarding who these recruiters are and what their claims or goals are make me very skeptical they actually exist beyond someone's fevered imagination.

My only concern is the well being of all involved.

If someone believes their gender identity doesn't conform with their genitalia, wouldn't their well being depend on their own freedom to explore this on their own without someone else telling them what they should be? Whether that other person be a mysterious recruiter for some unknown, vague, possibly nefarious agenda, or a politician with an agenda or even a church who would prefer people fall into convenient gender categories rather than personal, individual ones?

Is well being only defined by one's genitalia?

It was practically unheard of 20+ years ago when I was growing up.

I'm older, and there's even more stuff people didn't know back when I was growing up that they know about now. Heck, carrying a phone in your pocket was the stuff of science fiction when I was a kid. We learn, we grow, we change.

-- A2SG, well, some of us anyway.....

 

[RileyG]

Is that what the two kids you spoke to said happened to them?

From my own experience, and those I've spoken to: Even from a young age, all of us observe how other people act and respond to things. We can tell that boys and girls are different in ways beyond biology, we can see clear differences in how they act and how they interact with others. Most often, we identify with those who share the same biology as we do...but sometimes, there are some people who simply don't. They look at the world and realize they're looking at it the way they think someone of a different gender would. Occasionally, they come to the realization that they are that gender, despite what their genitals are.

How and why they come to this realization is a very personal, very subjective thing, and something only an individual can answer themselves. Which is why I asked about how many trans people you've spoken to about their own experiences.


What claims? Who are these people and what claims are they making that require them to recruit others to adopt a gender identity that they don't actually identify with?

I gotta say, the lack of specifics regarding who these recruiters are and what their claims or goals are make me very skeptical they actually exist beyond someone's fevered imagination.


If someone believes their gender identity doesn't conform with their genitalia, wouldn't their well being depend on their own freedom to explore this on their own without someone else telling them what they should be? Whether that other person be a mysterious recruiter for some unknown, vague, possibly nefarious agenda, or a politician with an agenda or even a church who would prefer people fall into convenient gender categories rather than personal, individual ones?

Is well being only defined by one's genitalia?


I'm older, and there's even more stuff people didn't know back when I was growing up that they know about now. Heck, carrying a phone in your pocket was the stuff of science fiction when I was a kid. We learn, we grow, we change.

-- A2SG, well, some of us anyway.....

If anything, it must be further researched. Mostly agree it’s only a very small percentage or adults who have gender dysphoria AKA transgender. I’m all for adults living as they want.

No, none of the children told me they were “recruited.” I never stated gender dysphoria doesn’t exist, it indeed does; but in many cases so called gender affirming care actually harms them. To me, it isn’t black and white.

And yes, I would say gender is very much defined by one one’s genitalia; those with gender dysphoria have distress over their own parts.

Peace

 

[A2SG]

If anything, it must be further researched.

There, we agree.

Mostly agree it’s only a very small percentage or adults who have gender dysphoria AKA transgender. I’m all for adults living as they want.

Fine.

No, none of the children told me they were “recruited.”

So who did? How did you come to the conclusion that trans kids were being recruited?

I never stated gender dysphoria doesn’t exist, it indeed does; but in many cases so called gender affirming care actually harms them.

I've heard the exact opposite, directly from some who have received gender affirming care. In fact, most research seems to indicate far more positive outcomes than negative. But, I'm not here to defend gender affirming care, simply to wonder how you came to the conclusion that, as you said, "There are no “trans kids” they are recruited." That's unsupported, highly unlikely, and frankly, seems completely made up.

I just don't know by whom.

To me, it isn’t black and white.

And yes, I would say gender is very much defined by one one’s genitalia;

And you're incorrect. Gender is a function of one's identity, not one's biology. It's who you are, not what body parts you have. Sex and gender may once have been thought to be the same thing, but we've come to realize they're not. This is another example of stuff we've learned over time that once was viewed differently. Again, we learn, we grow, we change.

those with gender dysphoria have distress over their own parts.

Peace

How distressed a person is may vary widely from one to the next. Some simply don't consider their personality or their sense of their own identity as coming from their genitalia.

-- A2SG, granted, maybe there are some who do....

 

[RileyG]

There, we agree.


Fine.


So who did? How did you come to the conclusion that trans kids were being recruited?


I've heard the exact opposite, directly from some who have received gender affirming care. In fact, most research seems to indicate far more positive outcomes than negative. But, I'm not here to defend gender affirming care, simply to wonder how you came to the conclusion that, as you said, "There are no “trans kids” they are recruited." That's unsupported, highly unlikely, and frankly, seems completely made up.

I just don't know by whom.


And you're incorrect. Gender is a function of one's identity, not one's biology. It's who you are, not what body parts you have. Sex and gender may once have been thought to be the same thing, but we've come to realize they're not. This is another example of stuff we've learned over time that once was viewed differently. Again, we learn, we grow, we change.


How distressed a person is may vary widely from one to the next. Some simply don't consider their personality or their sense of their own identity as coming from their genitalia.

-- A2SG, granted, maybe there are some who do....

I completely disagree. A man has no idea what it’s like to be a woman or vice versa. Just because he identifies with womanly attributes didn’t make him a woman, he’s still a man.

In many cases, those who received so called gender affirming care are 4X more likely to commit suicide or still be miserable. Or solves nothing, but only creates more problems.

Peace

 

[A2SG]

I completely disagree. A man has no idea what it’s like to be a woman or vice versa.

How does one man know how any other man feels? How can any of us compare our feelings to anyone else's feelings?

How do any of us identify as whatever gender we identify as?

Same process with cis people as with trans...only with slightly different results. Genitalia notwithstanding.

Just because he identifies with womanly attributes didn’t make him a woman, he’s still a man.

She would say otherwise. Who would know her identity better, you or her?

In many cases, those who received so called gender affirming care are 4X more likely to commit suicide or still be miserable.

I've seen studies that refute that entirely. Here's just one from JAMA.

Or solves nothing, but only creates more problems.

Peace

Those who have actually had gender affirming care tend to say otherwise.

But, again, I'm not here to defend gender affirming care. I'm still trying to figure out who's doing this recruiting you claimed was happening.

And I still have no idea. Do you?

-- A2SG, or is this just another baseless, imaginary boogeyman the right seems so adept at creating....

 

[RileyG]

How does one man know how any other man feels? How can any of us compare our feelings to anyone else's feelings?

How do any of us identify as whatever gender we identify as?

Same process with cis people as with trans...only with slightly different results. Genitalia notwithstanding.


She would say otherwise. Who would know her identity better, you or her?


I've seen studies that refute that entirely. Here's just one from JAMA.


Those who have actually had gender affirming care tend to say otherwise.

But, again, I'm not here to defend gender affirming care. I'm still trying to figure out who's doing this recruiting you claimed was happening.

And I still have no idea. Do you?

-- A2SG, or is this just another baseless, imaginary boogeyman the right seems so adept at creating....

I mean, I’ve seen other studies that say otherwise. As far as feelings? I have no idea how to respond.

I don’t think it’s imaginary at all. I can post links but they have profanity so I cannot post it.

Regardless, I support adults to live as they want. That’s their right. Period.

 

[Hentenza]

And yes, I would say gender is very much defined by one one’s genitalia; those with gender dysphoria have distress over their own parts.

And dna. And bone structure. Etc. Etc.

 

[RileyG]

And dna. And bone structure. Etc. Etc.

Yup. Not something someone can change.

 

[A2SG]

I mean, I’ve seen other studies that say otherwise.

Are those studies from as credible a source as the Journal of the American Medical Association? Groups with a biased agenda can create all sorts of bogus studies, you know. The internet is filled with stuff like that.

As far as feelings? I have no idea how to respond.

Simple: how do you know what your gender identity is? When you answer that, consider that someone else may also know what their own gender identity is. Sometimes, as strange as it might sound to you, it doesn't match their genitalia.

I don’t think it’s imaginary at all. I can post links but they have profanity so I cannot post it.

Until I see actual evidence that this recruitment you allude to actually occurs, I remain skeptical. Surely, if this evidence actually does exist, you can find a way to direct me to it in a way that doesn't violate the rules.

Regardless, I support adults to live as they want. That’s their right. Period.

No one has said otherwise.

-- A2SG, well, not here, at least.....